Author Topic: Death Penalty... yes or no? (Read 3541 times)

Keez · « **Reply #30 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:23:59 AM »

I'm against the death penalty for the simple reason that the state can NEVER be 100% sure if the suspect is the murderer. And I mean never. Sure you can say "well I'm for death penalty but only if there is some really good, solid evidence". Even then, sooner or later, you can be guaranteed that an innocent person will be executed as mistakes will ALWAYS be made. Even if it's one in every hundred cases.

And for the abortion thing... I am against it. A fetus is as much a human being as everyone else. Just because this human hasnt grown enough to leave the mother's womb doesnt mean that its life is less valuable. I never understood how people could kill their own blood. And dont start with the rape thing. A mother would murder a child so she would not be reminded of the rape? Ofcourse the poor lady has already gone through a lot, but she can give the child up after it has been born. Nothing is worth killing a child, even if conceived under such difficult circumstances.

Eagler · « **Reply #31 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:25:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Keez
I'm against the death penalty for the simple reason that the state can NEVER be 100% sure if the suspect is the murderer. And I mean never.

ya think theres much doubt about the DC snipers?

Eagler · « **Reply #32 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:29:17 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'm against the death penalty, and for legal abortion.

psst ...

if you are for abortion - you are for the death penalty (just a different age group - one that can't file legal appeals)

midnight Target · « **Reply #33 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:32:48 AM »

psssst....

reasonable people can disagree on this issue.

Keez · « **Reply #34 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:33:09 AM »

Yeah those people are guilty. But you and I both know that there have been several cases in which innocent people were put to death. Now you can hold this one specific case in front of me, but you and I BOTH know it's the truth. And killing 1000 guilty people is, to me, not worth it if 1 innocent men is killed along with them.

I am not religious, but I know my share about the bible, and I know a heck of a lot Americans are religious. There is a part in the bible in which god says he would not destroy a village full of sinners if there is just 1 good believer among them.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #35 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:34:48 AM »

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I'm against the death penalty for the simple reason that the state can NEVER be 100% sure if the suspect is the murderer. And I mean never. Sure you can say "well I'm for death penalty but only if there is some really good, solid evidence". Even then, sooner or later, you can be guaranteed that an innocent person will be executed as mistakes will ALWAYS be made. Even if it's one in every hundred cases.

the problem with this attitude IMO, and it's a decent attitude btw, is that we (taxpayers) end up supporting them the rest of their lives.. with the possibility that the criminal (assuming guilt here) will get out and commit the same or worse.

huge money burden, overcrowding, no-repentance no rehabilitation, possibility of more henious crimes

(all this assumes we're talking death-penalty type crimes)

H. Godwineson · « **Reply #36 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:35:30 AM »

Some of you fellows brains have migrated southward.

The fetus can do anything a newborn baby can, except breathe on its own. It is not a parasite or a cancer. If a woman does not want a child in her life she can use a contraceptive or simply stop having mindless sex with us lust-besotted males. Abortion for convenience is wrong, period.

The death penalty serves a purpose. To keep the innocent from being executed I propose that the laws be changed so that execution would not be possible if there was no DNA evidence connecting the individual to the crime. The technology exists, so we should use it. Some of these criminals are so dangerous and socio-pathic they need to be put down because it is the only way to guarantee the safety of the law-abiding citizenry.

Shuckins

Naso · « **Reply #37 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:37:12 AM »

I am against death penalty... any case.

Abortion: tough call, maybe only a woman can understand fully what really means.

And I have noticed all the people that entered this thread are the same old Demo/Rep propaganda boys.

No woman can share her opinion?

Keez · « **Reply #38 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:48:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Wlfgng
the problem with this attitude IMO, and it's a decent attitude btw, is that we (taxpayers) end up supporting them the rest of their lives.. with the possibility that the criminal (assuming guilt here) will get out and commit the same or worse.

huge money burden, overcrowding, no-repentance no rehabilitation, possibility of more henious crimes

(all this assumes we're talking death-penalty type crimes)

It brings its problems, yes. I think someone's opinion on this depends on his priorities in life. I'd rather pay high taxes for the rest of my life so that innocents may live.

The possibility of more crimes is assuming that they'd escape, I presume? Well I have no hard figures to back this up, but I thought that the max security prisons are quite hard to get out of? Even if not... For me nothing is worth killing an innocent person. Even if it might save another innocent persons life.

But then again, this is just my opinion on the matter. I am not the person who has to deal with these kind of problems on a daily basis. It's a very hard topic, a very complicated one. I think I'll take a humble position and say that I do not oversee all the consequences of what I think is right. But it is the best I can say about it, being an average person as far as this topic goes.

Reschke · « **Reply #39 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:53:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
It's pretty clear to me. Oh, and... if my wife was pregnant and you hit her while driving drunk and she lost the baby... I'd be going for manslaughter for all I was worth.

Sorry Kieran but "manslaughter" is not what I would push for. If the courts did not get the person who was the cause. Then they had better hope I don't loose my temper and come after them because I can think of many ways to kill and never be caught and in that frame of mind I would feel justified and never feel the need to be remorseful about it.

On a side not I am for the death penalty and I am for the woman being able to make her own choices about whether or not she wants to continue the pregnancy.

Thrawn · « **Reply #40 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:53:42 AM »

Eagler, why do you think a fetus have more moral signifance than a criminal on death row?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #41 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:58:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Eagler, why do you think a fetus have more moral signifance than a criminal on death row?

A fetus is a human being that didn't have a choice when it was formed. A death row inmate had choices in life, and made the wrong ones knowing the result would most likely end in his death.

And, comparing your dick to a fetus, as you did above, should make your children proud.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #42 on:** November 19, 2002, 11:03:23 AM »

So, you guys are against the death penalty for convicted fetus'?

Why?
-SW

PS: Yer a dolt if you are trying to get a connection between the death penalty and abortions.

Thrawn · « **Reply #43 on:** November 19, 2002, 11:07:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
A fetus is a human being that didn't have a choice when it was formed. .

What make a fetus a human being?

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And, comparing your dick to a fetus, as you did above, should make your children proud.

You have no idea what would or would not make my child proud of me.

And I don't think you understand what the word compare means.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #44 on:** November 19, 2002, 11:08:18 AM »

get OUT of my house...Wulfe

and I have to agree with your 'P.S.'