Death Penalty... yes or no?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Kieran
Execution is Christian- did you miss the part of the Bible in Revelation where judgement is discussed? Isn't eternal damnation an execution of sorts?

This is the only point, within your christian framework. that I couldn't reconcile.  

Sure eternal damnation is an execution of sorts.  But god isn't about to make any mistakes in this regard.  Infallability and all.

Vengence is mine, sayeth the lord.  Doesn't that imply that it's your god's domain?  Might be misquoting here.

[Kieran]

I don't think it is up to the individual to judge, I agree. But no less than Moses recognized the impossibility of functioning in society without some sort of "panel". It might be arguable to say the wise elders selected by Moses amounted to a jury of sorts. That's a stretch of course, but the point is judgement is necessary where people are concerned.

So... how do you make judgements? Our jury system is a pretty good compromise, where you have to convince a number of people before guilt can be assessed. It makes mistakes, but far fewer than if a sole person made the choice. On the issue of consequences, well... God did pretty much lay out the consequences for specific actions. Putting the two together is not at all a leap.

[Eagler]

"Planned Parenthood" - what a play on words..

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Every day of the year, Planned Parenthood persuades 540 women to agree to let them kill their unborn babies. If you or someone you  know thinks Planned Parenthood is a good organization that helps poor married couples space the births of their children, nothing could be further from the truth. Planned Parenthood (PP) is the leading promoter and the largest single provider of abortions in our country.

   Here are some other facts you may not know about this prominent member of the abortion industry:

      In 2000 PP took in a record $69 million by performing
      abortions one-third of  their total income.

      For every adoption referral, they aborted 79 babies.

      Since 1995, the number of PP abortions has increased  
      a whopping  41%.

      From 1985 through 2000, PP has received nearly 2.2
      billion tax dollars.

      PP president, Gloria Feldt, receives a salary of
      $324,217 a year. <- not bad money for a baby butcher

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some more stats:

(AP) - Number of abortions per state in 1996, with the rate per 1,000 women:

 
Alabama 13,826, 14
Alaska 2,139, 15
Arizona 11,016, 11
Arkansas 5,882, 11
California 280,180, 39
Colorado 9,710, 11
Connecticut 14,094, 20
Delaware 4,482, 26
District of Columbia 13,674, NA
Florida 80,040, 27
Georgia 35,790, 20
Hawaii 4,916, 19
Idaho 1,022, 4
Illinois 53,613, 20
Indiana 13,341, 10
Iowa 7,602, 12
Kansas 10,685, 19
Kentucky 7,000, 8
Louisiana 11,865, 12
Maine 2,615, 9
Maryland 12,363, 10
Massachusetts 29,293, 21
Michigan 30,208, 14
Minnesota 14,193, 13
Mississippi 4,206, 7
Missouri 11,629, 10
   
Montana 2,763, 15
Nebraska 5,214, 14
Nevada 6,965, 20
New Hampshire 2,300, 8
New Jersey 31,860, 18
New Mexico 5,033, 13
New York 152,991, 37
North Carolina 33,554, 20
North Dakota 1,291, 9
Ohio 36,530, 15
Oklahoma 6,769, 10
Oregon 13,767, 20
Pennsylvania 38,004, 15
Rhode Island 5,437, 24
South Carolina 9,326, 11
South Dakota 901, 6
Tennessee 17,989, 15
Texas 91,470, 21
Utah 3,639, 8
Vermont 2,139, 16
Virginia 25,770, 16
Washington 26,138, 21
West Virginia 2,470, 6
Wisconsin 13,673, 12
Wyoming 208, 2
Total 1,221,585, 20

 
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
 
so every 20 out of 1000 women in 1996 had one - nah, it ain't birth control

that was 6 years ago, wonder how bad it has exploded since then ...

[Kieran]

Eagler-

Seriously, I am a conservative too, but I have to ask... assuming you are married, I can safely assume you and your wife use a contraceptive, right?

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Kieran
Eagler-

Seriously, I am a conservative too, but I have to ask... assuming you are married, I can safely assume you and your wife use a contraceptive, right?

Yes, you assume correctly

and ?

[Kieran]

The point is that Planned Parenthood does provide a low-cost alternative to young couples that otherwise could not afford birth control.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Kieran
The point is that Planned Parenthood does provide a low-cost alternative to young couples that otherwise could not afford birth control.

1/3 of there income is from abortions, is this the "low cost alternative"?

I am sure they provide some good but wonder if it out weighs the bad

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Eagler, they aren't your fetii. Why do you care so much what someone else does?
-SW

[Wlfgng]

beat me to it...

[Rude]

Originally posted by hardcase
Criminal rolled the dice..remember now, he is one of those precisous lives that get ignored once they are born. He was not born wanting to kill. How did he get there? I dont think you can be pro life and pro death, simply because the one you want to kill, is precious. He is alive. These are you arguments against abortion.

No wait.....he asked for it, so we can whump his ass...but wait..the mother asked for it too, right? So we can whump her ass. We christians sure like our bellybutton whumpings.  By God, diddly up and disobey what we obey and we will whump yo' bellybutton too.

So, lets look at what you obey....the history of a a 4 thousand year old middle eastern desert patriarchial philosophy based on total submission to the father, to the point Abe was gonna gut his son cause "god told him to"(today that excuse still gets you executed).  The idea that someone knows best for another is a bit to parental for me, based on the notion that what you believe somehow gives you the right to impose your belief system  on others.

Hundreds of millions have died by others attempts to impose their will. Time to learn.

HC

The ultimate whumpin will not come by the hands of men.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Eagler, they aren't your fetii. Why do you care so much what someone else does?
-SW

I really don't, it is a way to cleanse the gene pool

Just looking at the bigger picture as it pertains to the state of the world & man's consciousness

I don't see it as a positive step towards mans enlightenment, actually a step towards a deeper darkness

[Kanth]

Finally..... I've been waiting for this the whole thread!  

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
fetii.

[lazs2]

thrawn.. for the first time ever I think we agree with each other... abortion at 5 mos or more is murder.    I haven't really decided about before that yet.   I don't think a pill that doesn't allow sperm to attach to the egg or whatever is murder tho... in between those two is a VERY large gray area.  
lazs

[Dowding (Work)]

The 'morning after pill' prevents a fertillised egg from embedding in the womb. It could be considered a form of abortion.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by lazs2
thrawn.. for the first time ever I think we agree with each other

Oh...well then, I change my mind.