Author Topic: And you thought the Valdez oil spill was bad.  (Read 724 times)

Offline Thrawn

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« on: November 19, 2002, 12:57:25 PM »
Theis is about twice as bad.

"Battle rages to stave off the world's biggest environmental disaster
By Elizabeth Nash in La Coruņa
19 November 2002

Leading article: A test for the principle that the polluter must pay
Rescue craft from across Europe were racing to the stricken oil tanker Prestige, 60 miles off the Portuguese coast, last night in a desperate attempt to stave off a looming ecological disaster.

More than 4,000 tons of oil has already smothered Spain's rugged Galician shoreline of the Costa de la Muerte from Finisterre to La Coruna. The shoreline is the main source of a wide variety of shellfish, from scallops and mussels to exotic delicacies such as Percebes (goose barnacles) and spider crabs, vital to the Spanish region's depressed economy."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=353586

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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2002, 01:34:15 PM »
The ship has sunk this morning. It still has about 73.000 tons of fuel-oil on her holds :(.

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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2002, 01:34:57 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2002, 02:21:37 PM »
That's awful.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2002, 02:42:00 PM »
This isn't as bad as what's being reported. Sure it's a mess but it was fuel oil, they lucked out there.

I worked on the Valdez spill from the 2nd day of the accident through to the beach surveys 6 years after the spill. We surveyed and dug pits in the areas that got NO human cleanup help. What we found was in pits 3 1/2 meters deep there, on average, was little noticeable oil left.

The intertidal zone was not totaly uneffected though. The IZ had a boost in the little critters that the ADEC scientists said would suffer the most in those areas.

Lamentable, yes, an ecological disaster...not hardly in my eyes.

The worst impact is on the local economy, it won't be like in Valdez where the people that make a living at sea actualy benifited monitarily because of the spill.

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2002, 02:54:47 PM »
Why isn't someone able to get in there and skim all of the oil up?  Is it because they can't get resources to the area before the oil comes ashore?  They have skimmers now that can reclaim up to 70 tons of oil AN HOUR, why aren't they there?

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2002, 03:11:46 PM »
Those numbers that skimmer manufacturers claim are under ideal conditions. In seas 4ft or greater the oil simply goes under even a heavy seas type boom or sea curtian.

So, yes, they can skim off large quantities of oil with skimmers but it's the process of corraling the oil that is most problematic in rough water.

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2002, 03:16:41 PM »
Wait'll the holds that still contain oil start to rust and it leaks out.

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2002, 03:23:55 PM »
Why? Maybe because the government played the "blame the other" game since the first moment instead of doing something to solve or alleviate the problem. Now they are playing the "it's Gibraltar fault" card (the ship was heading there). That way they put the blame on a third party, AND gain support on the Gibraltar affair. It's amazing, if you follow some of the media (those with stronger bonds to the political party in power), in this country, ALL the problems are due to the Vasque terrorism, the Gibraltar sovereignty, and any other subject that suits their agenda. But, as president Aznar says, "Espaņa va bien" (Spain is fine). Yeah... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2002, 03:30:47 PM »
Where's Nelson when we REALLY need him?
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2002, 03:51:21 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9949-2002Nov19.html

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 Fuel oil is more environmentally damaging than crude oil, said Maria Jose Caballero, who leads the coastal protection project for Greenpeace in Spain



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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2002, 03:52:55 PM »
One way to mitigate the spread of leaking oil is to construct a metal 'tent' that will channel the rising oil for underwater vacuum devices to suck up. This method is being used to capture escaping natural gas in a few places now.

It's not very likely that this method will be used though, since they are still trying to figure out just who is responsible and the cost of such a large underwater construction project is huge.

I have some old friends from NOAA that are there now doing surveys, creating flow models and helping in the planning of the cleanup process and procedures. There are some VERY highly skilled people working on this spill so be assured that everything and anything is either being done or is in the plans to be done if at all possible.

The only limiting factor is just whose money is going to fund the cleanup, that is where the State of Alaska lucked out. Almost 3 billion dollars will have been spent by Exxon by FY'03, almost 500 million of that in ongoing scientific research funding.

BTW, double hull tankers, while being safer in cases of groundings, are more susceptible to swamping and sinking when a catistrophic hull breach occurs. If the outside hull is breached in  a longitudinal manner under the waterline the resulting increase of water weight could make the ship sink even faster, if the inner hull is also breached, than a single hulled vessel. Add a breach in both hulls due to a heavy collision and even if the ship doesn't sink, her maneuvering capibility will be severly affected by the added weight of the water between hulls, this would be a major concern in coastal waters.


The only way to effectively prevent seagoing tanker oil spills is to stop using them, period. Until then....shit happens, how fast the industry reacts and contains the spill is the only important issue now.

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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2002, 03:55:44 PM »
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Um, Greanpeace isn't known for their 'good' science.

Their statement is most likely the most selfserving one they could come up with at the moment.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2002, 04:09:44 PM »
I'm just wondering how long it will be until somebody blames the USA for this.

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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2002, 04:11:50 PM »
It's the US's fault.