Author Topic: Another useless department? (Read 465 times)

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **on:** November 19, 2002, 02:28:12 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/11/19/homeland.security/index.html

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A bill creating a Department of Homeland Security moved closer to final passage Tuesday after the Senate voted 52-47 against an effort to strip out of the legislation what Democrats called seven "special-interest" provisions."

I dunno.. what exactly is the Dept of Homeland Security going to do differently that all of the other departments (FBI, NSA, etc) don't already do?
-SW

gofaster · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:34:48 PM »

Its job will be to blame the FBI, NSA, TSA, and CIA for breaches in security.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:36:05 PM »

Its pretty extensive and can't be covered in a short post, so here's the URL:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.html

whgates3 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:43:09 PM »

no, not just usless it will spend upwards of $37billion/year...a bit over $1 per day per taxpayer, or about 3% increase of the federal budget...for that we'll get terrorism warnings put out for little or no reason other than to remind us all of how important it is.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:51:02 PM »

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Originally posted by whgates3
...for that we'll get terrorism warnings put out for little or no reason other than to remind us all of how important it is.

Keep telling yourself that, and when tragedy strikes, and response teams are put into action, I'll remind you of this:

Governor Ridge will coordinate all federal government terrorist prevention and protection activities within the U.S., and will work with state and local governments on, among other things:

Detection
Preparedness
Prevention
Protection
Response and recovery
Incident management

I'll be the first to put down useless Gov't bureaucracies, but I don't believe in this day and age that this is one of those useless ones.

Hangtime · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2002, 02:55:10 PM »

well, lets get a list goin for the useless gov't agencys... like the FAA fer instance.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2002, 03:05:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
well, lets get a list goin for the useless gov't agencys... like the FAA fer instance.

I seriously hope that your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek upon posting that...

Staga · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2002, 03:10:36 PM »

I thought republicans did want to keep government small?
What happened?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2002, 03:15:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga
I thought republicans did want to keep government small?
What happened?

Most still do. This is in response to 9/11. Your country would do it too.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2002, 03:26:17 PM »

Department of redunancy department

Hangtime · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2002, 03:29:02 PM »

Biggest lie in Aviation:

"Hi, I'm with the FAA, and I'm here to help..."

midnight Target · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2002, 04:51:08 PM »

How about NHTSA!!??

buncha ijits.

Animal · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2002, 05:21:36 PM »

They are going to be a highly specialized team of cyborgs tasked with the defense of the homeland.

MrLars · « **Reply #13 on:** November 19, 2002, 06:11:24 PM »

Although the creation of such an agency is needed the pork attached to creating it is just that.

Imagine if you will...

A drug company developes a vaccine for, say, anthrax. Under the unneuterd bill there would be no recourse for people to sue that manufacturer if that drug causes problems.

Sounds fair because were in a tight spot right?

Look at the whole picture and you'll see that IF that manufacturer doesn't have to worry about it's liability for their product then why on earth would they do all the testing necessary to be sure that the vaccine is safe? There is no incentive for them to spend the amount of money necessary to make sure they have a safe product...that is an over simplication to be sure but, IMO, it isn't too far out in left field to be beliveable.

There are other portions of this legislation that have some sort of pork attached which is truly sad. We need this agency and I find it extreemly shamefull that pork has to be attached to something so important.

SNAFU...as usual in D.C.

whgates3 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 19, 2002, 07:22:39 PM »

terrorism is too easy to do and nearly impossible to prevent - isreal has been proving that for decades. certain types of terrorism (hijacking) can be prevented, but terrorists just find another way to do dammage. the best way to prevent terrorism is not to make enemies. the best way to keep the US gov't from making enemies is to not give it enough $ to do so. republicans are not for small government, they just want to take the $ going to people who vote dem and redirect it to people who vote GOP.