Author Topic: Another useless department? (Read 475 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #15 on:** November 19, 2002, 07:27:03 PM »

So much for "less government".
Republicans are just a slightly less virulent strain of socialists than are the Democrats.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2002, 09:36:53 PM »

Not a big fan of the new agency proposal. It seems those functions should already be covered. Maybe making the current agencies more effective would be better than adding another ineffective one.

AKDejaVu

Nash · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2002, 10:05:11 PM »

My take on it is.... It's being created because the communication between the various agencies (FBI, CIA etc.) is sorely lacking. There seems to be a need for some central body that oversees them all and makes sure everyones playing nice with eachother.

On the otherhand it strikes me as bit kneejerk... a bit over the top. The title itself strikes me as extreme. And they will be the Department of The Buck Stops Here... and whoever helms it will on average probably have a career that spans about a year before he's ruined. You'd need to be insane to take that job... This department will become just as much of an informational and beauracratic cluster #@$# as the agencies it's supposed to oversee.

No question 9/11 sucked. I aint sure this is the answer... at least to this extent.

Does anyone know what the intelligence communty is saying about this, off record? Are they psyched about it or rolling their eyes? What's the climate?

whgates3 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 20, 2002, 12:48:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
My take on it is....It's being created because the communication between the various agencies (FBI, CIA etc.) is sorely lacking. There seems to be a need for some central body that oversees them all and makes sure everyones playing nice with eachother....

of that were the case then there certainly should be quite a few heads rolling@CIA, FBI, FAA, INS, Whitehouse, etc...i havent heard of any...maybe when the new dept is up & running (probably around 2006)

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Originally posted by Nash

...Does anyone know what the intelligence communty is saying about this, off record? Are they psyched about it or rolling their eyes? What's the climate?

i know three people who work at the CIA.
-->one who make travel arrangements for the 1st Lady & commemorative books of these trips...
-->one who plays rottiserie baseball (he is damn good) and supervises the guys who operate the xerox machine...
-->one who invests in tech startups w/ CIA funds (part of the CIA venture capitol scheme - he's doing pretty good, lost $1.2million so far in two years)

Nash · « **Reply #19 on:** November 20, 2002, 01:17:38 AM »

So what's your impression? Are they "Oh thank God there will finally be a whole entire department looking after things and everything will be swell"...... or are they "Uhm does this mean more paper work?"

Staga · « **Reply #20 on:** November 20, 2002, 01:23:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Most still do. This is in response to 9/11. Your country would do it too.

We already have an institutions like SUPO (Security Police), KRP (National Bureau of Investigation) and LP (National Traffic Police) which are national units under command of Police Department of the Ministry of the Interior.

SUPO:
-prevent schemes and crimes that may endanger the established governmental and social order or the internal and external security of the State and to investigate such crimes. They must also maintain and develop general readiness to prevent actions that may endanger State security.

KRP:
-Prevent and investigate international, organized, professional, financial and other serious crime and to develop crime prevention and investigation methods.

Liikkuva Poliisi:
-maintain public order and safety, carry out traffic control and surveillance, improve traffic safety, prevent crimes, and investigate crimes and other events that endanger public order and safety. The National Traffic Police also act as a police reserve.

From my POV it looks like you're creating another institute which is working in the same area with other agencies.
Anyway it's your dollars and easy way to put some people without a work back to business.
Not the most effective way to cut expensies but if it rocks your boat why not. Just be carefull what you tell to your neighbours

Sandman · « **Reply #21 on:** November 20, 2002, 02:25:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
So what's your impression? Are they "Oh thank God there will finally be a whole entire department looking after things and everything will be swell"...... or are they "Uhm does this mean more paper work?"

It's all about establishing blame.

Nash · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2002, 02:49:34 AM »

"Just be carefull what you tell to your neighbours "

No no you have it all wrong. This government is all about individual freedoms. It's about personal accountability and smaller, less intrusive government. And less taxes which burden the common man. They are in office because the people rose up and said "Leave me alone!".

And the Republicans said "Fear not, we are here. We have arrived."

And there was much "WOOT!"

"Finally the good upstanding people can go about their business without all of the tiresome meddling of Washington."

Except... We can now take you into custody without you ever having contact with the outside....or any legal councel whatsoever.... for, who knows how long?

Bug your phones? Your internet? Phooey that's child's play. If you have nothing to hide then there's nothing to fear!

Prayer in schools? No, you must pray and we will work on getting that done.

Can I terminate my pregancy Mr. Washington? For the time being yes, but we'll see what what we can do about ending that.

On and freakin' on it goes.....

It kills me.... When people talk about Republicans being all about personal freedoms and smaller less intrusive governmet I just have no idea what the diddly they are talking about.

My understanding is that they want to give tax cuts and are all for gun rights.... but that's where I see the individual freedom thing end. What else?

We should try and do a checklist type thing sometime..... without any of the hyperbole....

Dems or Republicans.... Who really is about the individual? Which is really about personal freedoms? Who wants to meddle in your business and who doesn't?

Republicans are now..... without question...... in the driver's seat. It's going to be interesting which freedoms Americans gain and which freedoms Americans lose. Anyone want to wager on the balance?

Sandman · « **Reply #23 on:** November 20, 2002, 09:23:39 AM »

Oh yeah... one day we'll all look back with fond regard at the time when the only thing we had to squeak about in the government was the presidential noodle.

miko2d · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2002, 10:01:30 AM »

Staga: From my POV it looks like you're creating another institute which is working in the same area with other agencies.

Actually at this stage we are just merging a few dozen existing agencies with 170,000 employees into one department. Some of those employees will lose certain union rights - so at least theoretically a potential for improving efficiency exists here.

miko

Eagler · « **Reply #25 on:** November 20, 2002, 10:01:51 AM »

time will tell

I think the Reps have set themselves up for a huge fall, though there wasn't anything else to do, can't sit by and do nothing - lose lose situation as it is IMPOSSIBLE to 100% prevent terrorism. You can minimize it but not eliminate it.

Within 24 hrs of next terrorist attack, the dems will be red faced screaming "I TOLD YA SO" with no plan or action of their own but blame and the dumb public will vote em in as the grass looks greener over there

I'd like'd to have seen the money go into GPS guided munitions

popeye · « **Reply #26 on:** November 20, 2002, 10:17:53 AM »

$37 billion a year. Guess I'll start buying shares of RNC, it seems to be a much better investment than Wall Street.

Octavius · « **Reply #27 on:** November 20, 2002, 10:49:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Animal
They are going to be a highly specialized team of cyborgs tasked with the defense of the homeland.

H.O.M.E.L.A.N.D.: Hydraulic Obedient Machine Engineered for Logical Assassination and Nocturnal Destruction

S.E.C.U.R.I.T.Y.: Synthetic Electronic Construct Used for Rational Infiltration and Terran Yardwork

http://www.brunching.com/cyborger.html

midnight Target · « **Reply #28 on:** November 20, 2002, 12:10:53 PM »

DoD...

Doesn't the second "D" already stand for Defense?

Maybe we shoulda just let them defend instead of creating an organization that will let me know which color I should wear today.

"Today's color is Blue.... this means that you may feel free to trust that middle easterner next to you in line today."

whgates3 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 20, 2002, 01:29:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
time will tell

I think the Reps have set themselves up for a huge fall, though there wasn't anything else to do, can't sit by and do nothing - lose lose situation as it is IMPOSSIBLE to 100% prevent terrorism. You can minimize it but not eliminate it.

Within 24 hrs of next terrorist attack, the dems will be red faced screaming "I TOLD YA SO" with no plan or action of their own but blame and the dumb public will vote em in as the grass looks greener over there

I'd like'd to have seen the money go into GPS guided munitions

it things like this that make me think maybe Jr. & his people are in control of OBL. it dont think such an astute political bunch would voluntarily get into a risky situation. what they like is something more like iraq where they either get to 'stare down' or pound the toejam out of him. even if there are no more Al Q attacks in the US its a losing proposition for the bushies - they just end up looking like a bunch chicken littles - they only way they come out clean is if there is an attempt@terorism & they stop it....and that would be so hard to accomplish if they weren't orchestrating the attempt