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Offline Mw007

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« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2002, 02:11:41 AM »
in one of the films, the pilot purposely goes for the bottom ball turret on the bomber. he goes from shooting at the engine, it seems like he gets shot at, then diverts his guns on the bottom turret. you can even see it move slightly. after he pumps a "few" rounds into the ball turret, the goes back to the engines....amazing films...

HOWEVER, enough of seeing the Germans spankin buffs, LETS SEE SOME ALLIED WHOOP-ARSE!!!!

anyone have any or know where to get it?

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« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2002, 02:49:05 AM »
I believe gun cameras were uncommon in the luftwaffe.  So, you are not looking at gc footage from your average pilot.  Heinz Knocke flew with a gun camera sometimes.  He specialized in one pass HO kills on bombers(cockpits).

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« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2002, 06:16:18 AM »
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And if the lethality was adjusted, the Me109 with the 30mm would see a gret deal of action, because the hit hard enugh in RL for one shot kills. Like hispanos here now.


uh.
Hispanos almost never score one-shot kills, and the mk108 almost always does.  The hispano vs mk108 usage is about the ballistics, not the lethality.

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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2002, 06:19:32 AM »
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 Seen that film on Virtual Pilots annual meetings. It really makes feel sorry for the guys in the bombers getting mauled by 20/30mm cannonfire. The P47 seemed to be a Razorback, at least it was Olive Drab and I guess those BubbleTops were silverish? Interesting stuff anyway...

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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2002, 06:57:54 AM »
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Usually it required 3-5 30mm or 10-20 20mm hits to bring down b17. It was in Heinz Khoke war diary. That is what we have in AH.


"Bring down" does not mean "rip apart". 3-5 30mm or 10-20 20mm would surelly damage or take out critical components like fuel tanks, engines and crew, but would not likely rip a wing of like in AH. Remember that "bring down" is achieved if the bomber is sufficientlly damaged to not reach home.
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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2002, 08:12:16 AM »
face it... LW cannon are/were wimpy.   In AH I could get about 25% assists with the CHog hitting with all four cannon... real cannon, not LW cannon.   I don't think AH damage model is off that much.
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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2002, 08:56:35 AM »
I've read that the Germans calculated it took three "well-placed" 30mm rounds to bring down a four-engine bomber.  They also estimated an average of 20 20mm shells to kill one.

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« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2002, 10:46:14 AM »
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La5 doesnt turn any worse thasn la5FN.


Doesn't have as powerful an engine.. lose speed quicker. Turns slow down as speed is loss.
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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2002, 11:41:14 AM »
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And if the lethality was adjusted, the Me109 with the 30mm would see a gret deal of action, because the hit hard enugh in RL for one shot kills. Like hispanos here now.


Was in an odd moood yesterday - flew the Hurricane with the 40mm cannon.   Yeah it kills with one bullet - but you have to be close.  I got several guys with it.  (Yeah that was why some of you were one ping killed btw - was one ping sure, one BIG ping)

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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2002, 12:17:51 PM »
I believe the reason major parts go flying off so frequently in AH is so that planes actually get shot down.

In AH, no one bails as soon as their plane takes some minor damage, they will continue to fight, either to get a kill before they go down, or to try and make it home. We basically know the aircraft is lost, but what's the harm in trying?

In RL, how many would stay in their airplane if half the wing got torn off, or if they had just taken heavy damage to engine(s) and aircraft structure? Most likely, the pilot would bail out while the plane was still somewhat stable. He knew it would be too late once the plane got into a death spiral.

In AH, you can bail out at any speed, no matter what is happening, even at speeds in excess of 400MPH in a 1 wing sprial dive. If you tried that in RL, you would either not be able to get out, or would die as you hit the slip-stream or as the wrekage smashed into you.

Basically, in RL a heavily damaged aircraft was usually abandonded even if control 'Might' have still been possible. This is certainly not the case in AH so damage effect is exagerated to compensate.

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« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2002, 12:28:15 PM »
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In AH, you can bail out at any speed, no matter what is happening, even at speeds in excess of 400MPH in a 1 wing sprial dive. If you tried that in RL, you would either not be able to get out, or would die as you hit the slip-stream or as the wrekage smashed into you.

Basically, in RL a heavily damaged aircraft was usually abandonded even if control 'Might' have still been possible. This is certainly not the case in AH so damage effect is exagerated to compensate.


This makes me wonder why the INability to get out of a spiralling plane isn't modelled in AH.
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2002, 12:30:19 PM »
Those big 40 mils on the IID would be a little more useful if they fired both at once instead of sequentially, bucking the plane from the recoil and throwing your aim all over the place.

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« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2002, 05:07:10 PM »
JB73...lolol

I was talking about the Documentary "No Easy Days" ww2 Gun Camera footage...

I will post the link when i get hoem..thats the film that has "some " origanal audio on it....heartbreaking...


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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2002, 07:17:14 PM »
Daddog had this same video at the last con. Very sad. You can only imagine what those men were going through, on either side.

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« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2002, 09:22:14 PM »
I believe the pilot of P-51B "Ding Hoa" took on a whole gaggle of BF-110s and shot about 5 of them down.  I know with my gunnery and the hitting power of four 50s in Aces High, I don't think I could ever do that.

But we'll never have reality here, just "representations."