Author Topic: Actual WWII gun-cam footage.. German (Read 772 times)

rv6 · « **on:** November 20, 2002, 10:25:53 AM »

I just came onto this site, and downloaded this massive chunk of *.MPG file. It took about 10 mins to download off a T1 line,, but the visual is pretty amazing.

It's the actual guncam footage of about 15 or more individual German v US air engagments.. (obviously the Germans won every time)

Each engagement is pre-titled, showing the date/time and types of aircraft involved.

IE: BF110 vs B17 .. FW190-A7 v P47 .. FW190 v P51.. 190-A6 v Liberator, FW190-A8 v P38 Lightning (vulched on landing!),, FW190 v La5,, etc, etc,

It's B&W, but amazing to see ALL the manuevers, attacks, unintentional spins, etc, that we do in AH,, performed in a REAL! life or death aerial battle.

You'll see some 1/4 angle HO shots light up Liberators with hit-sprites.. Some good deflection shooting and some truly CRAPPY deflection shooting.

Some really amazing visuals show a P47 absorbing the full load of an FW190 @ 100 yds, without falling apart..

Also, an FW190-A6 trying to turn with a P51.. The FW goes into an inverted flat spin (looks just like AH!), and miraculously breaks out of the spin, in a perfect angle to light up the pony with an off-angle headon shot!! (Crap LUCK!)..

The most profound thing in every bomber attack is the horrifying targeting method used by German fighters, ever single time.

Hi speed, up the "6",, open up at 400 yds, pipper dead center on the tail-gunner & ball-turret. I'd heard from my father the old saying that these crewman (tail & ballturret gunners) life expectancy under attack was measured in seconds. These films show why.

After exploding the tailgunner & ballturret cubicle, the German pilots used rudders to meticulously saw the bombers from wing-tip to wing-tip. I could only watch it twice.. not fun.

From historical viewpoint, these films are amazing. From humanitarian viewpoint, it'll leave you speechless as it did me.

WWII German Gun-Camera Footages..

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2002, 10:54:34 AM »

dang why werent the gunners firing in any of thos shots? hell yea its easy when no ones shootin at all or even jinkin the buff.

did the 190 stall out in the fight with the 51 ? and then wallow a while to build speed in a nose dive ? if so yea that is bad bellybutton . the 51 looked like it got it in that h.o.?

cool the way the 38 hit his flaps and did a zoom clime at low speed forced a over shoot , that is one fight they didnt win im betting. p.s. anyone notice the 38 almost collided with some other real small plane coming from the left at about 20 feet off the ground. anyone see what type that was?

notice the guy shooting at the dc-3 ( db3 in german? ) was trying at first to make um bail or at least to hit the engine and wings . but then went screw it and put a load in the fusilage.

also i noticed the first 190s cannon rounds didnt seem to be exploding. on one of the later ones with a very similar range and target setup you can see the plane light up with secondary explosions.

in relation to ah

alot is just amazingly correct.

guns are much less powerfull than in ah and alot harder to hit with.

great great film thanks for posting . anyone got a american or british one? or finnish?

jonnyb · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2002, 11:11:58 AM »

The one where the 110 crawled up the 17's butt and just lit him up from wingtip to wingtip...that was brutal. Some really great stuff in there...and some really poor shots, too. I thought my shots were poor.

ccvi · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2002, 02:01:25 PM »

Looked a lot slower than in AH.

And they weren't shooting at d1k.

And they weren't even stick stirring.

Curval · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2002, 02:14:54 PM »

Did anyone else find themselves anticipating the movement of the German plane and leaning in that direction while watching.

Innominate · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2002, 03:05:47 PM »

Jesus. If our b17s could take that much damage and still have all major flying surfaces and engines spinning, the whining would never end.

fffreeze220 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2002, 03:10:42 PM »

Î am waiting for the first who say the films are porked all is overmodeled

wulfie · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2002, 04:45:03 PM »

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Originally posted by jonnyb
The one where the 110 crawled up the 17's butt and just lit him up from wingtip to wingtip...that was brutal. Some really great stuff in there...and some really poor shots, too. I thought my shots were poor.

You need to remember that the average AH/WB/AW 'fighter pilot' has a great deal more time looking thru *his* gunsight than your average WW2 fighter pilot did.

In your (virtual) world, you are a better shot than most real life WW2 fighter pilots were in the real world.

Mike/wulfie

Wlfgng · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2002, 04:50:53 PM »

agreed.. most RL pilots in wwii were crappy shots.

you would be too if you enlisted, trained and then had to kill or be killed...

BenDover · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2002, 05:01:21 PM »

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Originally posted by ccvi
Looked a lot slower than in AH.

thats cos guncam are slowed down so you can see what they were doing

mcswine · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2002, 05:05:57 PM »

Some really great footage. Especially liked the first 51 -vs- 190 fight were the 51 stayed in a zoom climb and casued the 190 to stall out. Was truelly amazed at how little damage the big LW cannons did in comaprison to the .50 cal damage done in allied footage. I have over 2hrs of US combat footage with some realy amazing P51/38/47 footage agaisnt 109's and 190's.

Anyone that can help me get this footage from VHS tape to PC and I'll be happy to post it.

Grendel · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2002, 05:19:32 PM »

"Why the gunners are not firing?"

Sure they're shooting. But dead 6 attacks were not suicide in real life. Look at the formations - do you imagine that there's this German fighter crawling slowly nearer and nearer and nobody would shoot? And as some've said, it's quite likely that in some occasions the tail gunner is already goner.

In these games bomber defensive gun accuracy is way higher than in real life. Both gameplay reasons and missing physics.

That DB-3 is what is sounds like - DB-3. Not DC-3. DB-3 medium bomber of Russian Air Force. Over Black Sea or Gulf of Finland, I'd guess.

The full video, from which this is just a clip, is amazing. It's regular showpiece in our virtual pilots' meetings, whole tape filled with most interesting Luftwaffe guncamera films.

Staga · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2002, 05:27:28 PM »

What's the name of the film and can it be found from Alfamer (for example) or some other store in Helsinki?

Grendel · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2002, 05:39:47 PM »

Luftwaffe guncam or something, dunno. Ask from Aviation Shop etc

Staga · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2002, 05:47:18 PM »

Looks like AviationShop is having a film "Gun Camera Action from World War II", that could be pretty close... thx