Palestinian standard statement: how do you read it?

[StSanta]

Bah, ya need to be in top 2% to become a member.

But why bother joining elitist idiots who think they're special because they score well on some arbitrary non scientific 45 minute test?

Hell, if *I* can get admitted, anyone can. I stay away from any organisation that is 'exclusive' yet still allows me to become a member.

Mensa my big fat arse.

And that ain't Rudolph in that can. that's Rudolhpes gay lover. he got the reindeer equivalent of syphilis, so we had to take 'im out.

Stupid to spoil good meat though. Think we cut the infected bits away, but cannot rememer. Was too drunk at the time, and Rudolph needed 'company'.

[Hortlund]

Oh man this thread is funny. I almost bust a gut @ Ripsnort there.

[Wmaker]

Originally posted by StSanta
But why bother joining elitist idiots who think they're special because they score well on some arbitrary non scientific 45 minute test?

Hell, if *I* can get admitted, anyone can. I stay away from any organisation that is 'exclusive' yet still allows me to become a member.

Mensa my big fat arse.

My toughts exactly.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by StSanta
I stay away from any organisation that is 'exclusive' yet still allows me to become a member.

I think Groucho said it first.

[Hortlund]

Over to the topic of the thread.

From a leagal point of view the Palestinians are screwed. The only legit claim they have to "their" land is to claim the right to self determination. That right is about as fuzzy as they come, and not one of the permanent members of the security counsel want to enforce that one.

Here is a short list of reasons why:
China=Tibet
Russia=Tchecnya (have NO idea how to spell that in English)
US=native americans
UK=Northern Ireland
France=French Guyana, Bikini atoll etc

From a strictly legal point of view, Israel holds all the cards. The legal status of the West Bank and Gaza strip is abandoned land under Israeli occupation. Note that occupation in this sence means occupied like in something you found on the ground and picked up, or some old settler way back in the 1870:s who moved to a piece of uninhabited land and built a house there. Not in the sence what Germany did to Poland during ww2-kinda way.

There are 4 reasons as to why there never will be a negotiated peace in Israel, they are:
Water rights
Status of Jerusalem
Right of Palestinian refugees to return
Right of Jewish settlers to live where they live now.

Each one of these is serious enough to put a halt to any peace process. Each one of these is important enough for both sides to refuse to yeild an inch.

Israels only  problem legal-wise is their tendancy to blow up Palestinian Ambulances or residential areas. That might get Israel into trouble with international law, but not in a way that will benefit the Palestinians (because the US holds a protective hand over Israel in the security counsel).

[ra]

<Water rights
Status of Jerusalem
Right of Palestinian refugees to return
Right of Jewish settlers to live where they live now.>>

I think Barak had offered the PA what they claimed to want on all of these except #3. The reason there will never be a negotiated peace is because the Moslem world doesn't want one.  Israel is nothing like Nazi Germany or Iraq, regardless of what the Norwegians think.

ra

[K98k]

nm

[Hortlund]

No...Barak offered alot, but he did not give the Pal refugees the right to return (note, such a right would place the Jews in minority in Israel, it would be kinda bad) neither did he give Jerusalem to the Pals.

Maybe he gave away the settlers, but I doubt it, same with the water. Giving up the settlements = political suicide in Israel, giving up water rights = water has to be bought from Turkey = Water have to travel in pipelines from Turkey to Israel (i e Through Syria) = Syria has control over Israel's water = practical suicide.

[john9001]

in the USA, native americans have the same rights as every one else, in some cases they have even more rights.

[Wmaker]

[Daff]

Hmmm Americans and Geography

Daff

[weazel]

"Israel is nothing like Nazi Germany"

Your on thin ice.

Not to excuse the idiot palestinians but:

Genocide, the only difference is the method used....and israel is a avid practicioner of it.  

Refugee camps are not far removed from "concentration" camps.

Treating people as sub-humans.  

I.E. water deprivation, forcible removal by arms from lands they live on, armed israelis preventing pals from harvesting crops/working their fields.

Many aspects of Israeli policy are far from benevolent, a more apt term would be dispicable.  

I don't buy the "imaginary friend" gave us the land argument either.

We should build an "Escape from New York" type fence around them both , arm them equally and let them settle their dispute.

[whgates3]

Originally posted by weazel
...We should build an "Escape from New York" type fence around them both , arm them equally and let them settle their dispute.

maybe, but if we disarmed them completely, it would be much a more biblical battle & much better TV

[Vulcan]

Gotta admit, for a while there was the pro-Israeli camp and pro-Raghead camp, split about 50/50. Now the world has pretty much come to the conclusion their both really diddlyed up and this will not stop til they've wiped each other out.

As for Ripsnort vs the Fin's, well everyone saw that National Geographic report than 9 out of every 10 yanks gets lost coming back from the donut shop, so I think the Fin's should forgive him

[icemaw]

The UN needs to enforce the resolutions from the peace agreement from the 1967 war.  The Israeli's are just as much to blame as the rest. They need to get the hell out of occupied land's as agreed to in the peace agreement. Stop making new settelments in occupied lands. But its allready too late the childred from both sides learn nothing but hate even if they met all the demands of the Muslums the killing will still continue. Peace will never come to the middle east neither side has the ability to forgive and forget. The only way the fighting will ever stop is the total destruction of one side or the other. Its too bad the rest of the world has to pay with the lives of innocents for the inbread hatred of people with not the ability nor want for peace. This fight goes way back past the time Israel was created. If there was only one Israeli and one Muslum left in the world they would still fight to the death. Of coarse first they would have to kill any innocent bystanders that happend to be in the area.