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Offline beet1e

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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2002, 01:45:22 PM »
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the King's word is no longer unquestionable where you live either.
Quite correct, as we don't have a King.
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So let's not try to turn back the clock, eh?
Well, we have to turn it back 50 years to get to the point where we had a King. :rolleyes: If we turn it back further - say 150 years, we could get back to the lawlessness of the wild west, which you seem to espouse.
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2002, 03:58:01 PM »
Our particular difference was with a King of yours.

Your present Queen is a figurehead as well. Her word isn't unchallengable law either.

Delight in disingenuously dancing about the issues all you like.

Espouse the Wild West? Well, if that means I never want to see a guy like you making up "rules" for the AH MA... you're absolutely right.

Otherwise, you're way off target yet again.
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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2002, 04:22:37 PM »
User CP > Edit Options > Show User's Signature = NO

Really speeds things up too.

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« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2002, 04:41:47 PM »
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Seems you finally came around to our way of thinking on that one.


Not really Toad. We had a constitutional monarch in place long before the US was even an established colony. I believe the differences the colonists had, were with British government policy.

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Funny thing is, people like Churchill saw the writing on the wall, but nobody wanted to hear the truth, because they where too busy hiding their heads in the sand.

Same goes for Liberals today, they hope for the best and leave the rest up to their love of the enemy and their belief that all will be ok if they just show compassion to everyone who wants to kill them.


Nuke - you do know that Chamberlain, the PM at the time, was a Conservative. A CONSERVATIVE. YES, THAT'S RIGHT HE WASN'T A LIBERAL, BUT A.... CONSERVATIVE.

So you see, your argument falls flat on its face.

Lastly. Beatle - why do you care so much about US gun ownership? Whether it's a primary cause for their high murder rates or not, I wouldn't be that concerned about it. It's not worth losing sleep over, mate. ;)

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« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2002, 04:53:05 PM »
George III

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George III succeeded his grandfather, George II, in 1760 (Frederick, Prince of Wales, had died in 1751 having never ruled). George was determined to recover the prerogative lost to the ministerial council by the first two Georges; in the first two decades of the reign, he methodically weakened the Whig party through bribery, coercion and patronage. Prime Minister, William Pitt the Elder was toppled by Whigs after the Peace of Paris, and men of mediocre talent and servile minds were hand-picked by George as Cabinet members, acting as little more than yes-men. Bouts with madness and the way he handled the American Revolution eroded his support and the power of the Crown was granted again to the Prime Minister.....

 England thrived under peacetime conditions, but George's commitment to taxing the American colonies to pay for military protection led to hostilities in 1775.


And that's from Britannia.com, not a US website.

Jefferson: "[T]he mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God."


Jeez, I just love TJ.
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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2002, 08:33:12 PM »
hmm ALT+F4... isn't a problem in AH.. and never was..  even now though you get credit if the guy does do it...

so what was the point again?


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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2002, 02:27:41 AM »
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OK Saburo - name me any other game that has no rules. We know Bridge has rules. How about Chess? Monopoly? Tennis? Baseball? Football? Golf? Soccer? Hockey? Croquet? Cribbage? Formula 1 Motor Racing? Nope, they all have rules. Why? Because without rules, all games suck, and many would be downright dangerous. That's the reason for having rules in the first place. Otherwise you just get an uncontrolled rabble ruining the game for everyone. They might not be breaking a rule, but that does not mean they're not spoiling the game. BTW AKIron says Hi.


Well unlike your continued apples to oranges comparisons, I'll give you some apples to apples comparisons.

AirWarrior
Warbirds
Dawn of Aces

All MMOGs that didn't have specific rules. Do Chess, Monopoly, Tennis, etc need their rules? Yes they do. When I play Chess, Golf, Poker, etc., I play by the rules as I know them to be.

Because AH and other MMOG don't have stated 'rules', I continue to play by my rules of real life: Try to treat others as I would like to be treated. I play the game for fun. Sometimes I play for the strategy of trying to help win a reset, other times just for the sheer joy of fighting highly skilled opponents in a dogfight. I like the rules (or lack there of) as they are. I really like AH. I guess that is why I am playing it and not other MMOGs.

Just out of curiosity, what rules would you like instituted in AH that you feel would make the game more fun for you?
Would your rules be able to be enforced?
If so, how?

I fly for the Rooks. Everytime I have been on, the Rooks have been outnumbered each by the Bishops and Knights. My former squad left the Rooks (they have since returned as the grass wasn't greener on the other side) to join the Bishops. vVapor and I stayed with the Rooks (we knew the grass wasn't greener on the other side). We knew that it probably would get tougher. We were on the side that lost a lot of resets. But, we love the challenge. That is what makes this game. I am not inferring that any one side has the best, most mature, most skilled, people. There are plenty of players on all sides I enjoy playing with and against as well as respect. I guess it does boil down to how one plays a game that they've paid their $14.95/month on. Me? I like the game as it is and look forward to the improvements the AH team add as time goes on.
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2002, 02:34:46 AM »
Mr. Toad - George 3 was King from 1760-1820 - longest reigning monarch until the length of his reign was superseded by that of Victoria, 1837-1901. He was a successful King. The British computer firm, International Conputers Limited (ICL) even created an operating system named after him. :D  That's right, George 3. I never worked with that one, but computer operators loved it.

Your Thomas Jefferson quote was lost on me, as I do not believe in God(s).

The Queen is above the law.  In theory, she could murder one of the butlers at Windsor Castle using a sharp instrument, such as a guitar whose strings had been overtightened, and would not face criminal proceedings.
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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2002, 03:05:00 AM »
Sab - the rules you play by sound fine - gentlemanly conduct. I think I can best exemplify my feelings by quoting this thread in which Furious says this:
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If I bring ordinance to a field, I am gonna drop it.

I don't care about "your" war.
Before everyone leaps to the keyboard to point out that Furious pays his $14.95 yap-yap-yap etc., I already know that. But this attitude, for me, sums up everything that is wrong with Aces High. In WB, we sometimes got crap, but I never saw anything which so trashed the team spirit and ground it into the mud. The thread itself deals with verbal abuse meted out between players on the same side. Again, I've never seen anything like it. I made some good friends at WB, and many are in AH now. Those friendships were often founded as a result of working together in some WB campaign. Can you imagine that happening with the attitude displayed above? Do you think that the above attitude improves the game? Most of the folks in that thread seem pretty angry to me.

I once said that the AH community sometimes resembles a crowded train platform. Everyone has the same objective - to get on the same train - but no-one is communicating with anyone else and the fighting breaks out as everyone tries to grab a seat.

I'm sure that Furious is not alone in feeling the way he does, and that's why I'm not singling him out for criticism - my O'Club fan club is big enough! But if anyone thinks that the attitude displayed in the above quote actually improves the game, and that the rights of those paying $14.95/mo should be preserved in order to allow attitudes like that to prevail, don't bother posting back to me as we are clearly not on the same page of the script.
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2002, 03:12:00 AM »
i don't see how everyone bowing and excusing and pleasing and asking if it's ok to shoot each other down makes a better model of war.

the fact that this game leaves so many people feeling angry and violated and huffy suggests to me that it's modeling war pretty well.
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« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2002, 08:37:41 AM »
I allways thought WWII was confusion... A lot of little fights everywhere in the world with some being sensless with poor objectives..

AH has rules... beetle just want's it to have more rules... he claims to like WB but he left WB.   He claims to like more rules but doesn't play in the CT... no one does.. we will have to wait and see on the "missun arean".
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« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2002, 09:45:53 AM »
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Mr. Toad - George 3 was King from 1760-1820 - longest reigning monarch until the length of his reign was superseded by that of Victoria, 1837-1901. He was a successful King.


Well, let's see. He totally P.O.'d the American colonials, resulting in the loss of what would have been the richest part of the Empire.

He had a particularly severe form of porphyria. His first attack occurred in 1765. Further signs of the disease showed up in 1788-1789. From 1811 to the time of his death in 1820 the royal patient became progressively insane and blind. He was nursed in isolation, and kept in straight jackets and behind bars in his private apartments at Windsor Castle.


So, yes, perhaps a long run as king if you count the 9 years at the end where he became progressively insane. But the loss of us colonials? Well, WE'RE certainly glad you regard that as "success". :D

And I guess TJ is tough to understand, from a "subjects" point of view. :p
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« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2002, 09:47:50 AM »
It's too bad Monty Python isn't around anymore. I think they could do a great "getting on the AH train" skit with Beetle scrambling around trying to get a bunch of normal people to board the train exactly the way he wants them to do it.
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« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2002, 11:25:59 AM »
Lazs - I liked WB in 1998-1999 especially. And so did you. We flew together as Purple, remember? But things change. There was the 2.6 debacle that forced me out (because I was the wrong side of the 300MHz wall). Things were never the same after the servers went to NC, and you left somewhere along the way. I left because of the WW2A.  I'm sending you a copy of my original quit post - you are mentioned in it as one of the guys I enjoyed flying with. I'll also send you my WB resignation letter. (never did a quit post second time round. what was the point? Unlike HTC, iEN never listened)

LOL Mr. Toad-in-the-Hole!  Hooked you with that G3 thing. ;) OK, he was crap, but he was monarch throughout the agricultural and industrial revolutions, French Revolution, Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars. You already know about the US stuff.

As for getting on the train, you are quite correct and there is a set way of getting on the train - and of folding your broadsheet newspaper when you get on. The Monty Python excerpt relevant to this would be the Ministry of Silly Walks (NOT part of the Home Office!) Enjoy this...
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« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2002, 11:30:31 AM »
Toad...

It has been my experience, that those who are afraid are the ones so badly desire structure and rules.

Just a thought.
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