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Offline mrfish

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« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2002, 05:27:50 PM »
big homeless problem there in ottawa do ya? ah, the bravery of being out of range.

yes, doing the dirty work to thin out that human waste does sound like a good idea - sorry to hear you and weak little cohorts are so squeamish. by all means let's all walk around with our heads down trying to avoid them while they run wild - let's pander to the lowest common denominator for another 50 years and see if we can wreck our cities even more.

when's the last time they came after you with a knife or toejam on your door?

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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2002, 06:19:31 PM »
I think we have a very simular situation in Canada. Its just colder most of the year wich makes it tougher.
I step arround beggers all day here. Unless it raining.

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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2002, 07:08:16 PM »
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big homeless problem there in ottawa do ya? ah, the bravery of being out of range.


I admit, we probably have less of a homeless problem then our friends to the south.

Yet another benefit of living in a more socialist country.  :D

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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2002, 07:10:57 PM »
i think it has less to do with your socialism and more to do with the fact that canadians are crazy about l. ron hubbard ;)

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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2002, 07:17:58 PM »
More like another advantage of living in a frozen wasteland.  The homeless tend to migrate to warmer cities where they can survive winter.  I swear I saw more homeless in La Jolla than even in SF.

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« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2002, 02:00:02 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2002, 02:28:01 AM »
Pongo,

what do you do to the beggars when it's raining?

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I think we have a very simular situation in Canada. Its just colder most of the year wich makes it tougher.
I step arround beggers all day here. Unless it raining.
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« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2002, 08:46:06 AM »
I figured I'd post that story here, along with my commentary in italics.

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SANTA MONICA, California (AP) -- This liberal, beachside town passed two laws that will prohibit homeless people from camping in front of businesses at night and limit free meals served to them.

Both ordinances passed Tuesday aim to appease business owners, tourists and residents who have complained about increasing numbers of homeless people on Santa Monica streets.

"The public is scared and tired and just generally want it stopped," Councilman Herb Katz said. I can support that position.

The first ordinance, passed by a 5-2 vote, seeks to limit free outdoor meals by requiring groups serving 150 or more people to adhere to community event laws and county health standards. If event planners have to conform with the law, then soup lines should, too.  That's perfectly reasonable.

The second ordinance, passed unanimously, makes it illegal to sit or lie in downtown doorways from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. if the business owner posts a sign to that effect. Good! Power to the people to control their property, their business, and their lives!

Some homeless advocates said they do not believe the new laws will hold up in court.

"When it's all said and done, the laws will be overturned for unconstitutionality," said Moira LaMountain, a homeless activist. "The city will be forced to come to grips with the issues." Interesting how Moira doesn't say on what grounds the ordinances would be unconstitutional.  I suspect she's just ignorantly outraged.  Property owners should have the right to control access to, from, and on their property, including their business doorways.  Long term, the new laws are setting homeless people up as criminals for violation of local ordinances.  While not making poverty a crime, its simply making it a crime to be homeless in certain parts of the city, which is something I can support whole-heartedly.

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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2002, 09:02:14 AM »
even in Northeren California... we don't see homeless in the winter.
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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2002, 11:09:45 AM »
huh? i'll help you find a few, come on over the bridge lasz.

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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2002, 12:39:35 PM »
hey rich guys as long as there are dissposessed men in our society your homes will never be safe firearmes bedambed.

stop the silly drug war and victomless crime incarcerations and spend the money on our cousins sisters and brothers with mental problems.

or you and yours will never be safe its that simple.

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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2002, 12:49:30 PM »
Give em all a campsite on Reagan's ranch.


He had a hand in the closing of the State Hospitals.

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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2002, 01:07:57 PM »
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When you're all standing in bread lines, how the hell you gonna notice someone down on their luck worse than you???


Rip, we had "bread lines" only in province in 1991 when we have turned from "evil communism" towards "Freedom and Democracy". And we NEVER had bread lines in Moscow in last 50 years.

And you say you didn't face propaganda about USSR?... Poor Rip. Still stuck in that cold war times.

I only told you how I felt when I was in the US in 1989.

To whgates3: Uzbeks!? What do you mean? That they didn't work? Unfortunately it's close to reality...

To Swoopy: In 1990 we already had all the benefits of "Freedom and Democracy". I was talking about Soviet times, maybe until 1987-88. Gorbachev eagerly destroyed what could be called "social defence system", declaring it "totalitarian" and "non-democratic". Obligatory medical treatment for alcoholics was abandoned in late-80s, then went other Soviet inventions like the right to have a habitation...

It's much better to make an alcoholic sell his flat for nothing and go die of cheap alcohol in the street then to cure him and give him obligatory job and habitation, isn't it?

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2002, 01:12:13 PM »
LOL Boroda! SO, everyone that came back from Russia in Pre-1990 were all liars? Dang! I knew I shouldn't have trusted those eye-witness reports! :)

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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2002, 01:38:46 PM »
Rip, BREAD lines?! LOL!

BREAD? You mean lines for BREAD? Standing in queue to buy bread? Shortage in bread stores?

Are you sure you are not talking about 1940s?

Yes, there was an artificial bread "shortage" in 1964 when party bosses tried to organize public opinoin against Khruschev, but it was over one day after Nikita was "fired".

USSR imported wheat, but it was fodder grain, there were no problems with bread here since 1947.
Interesting how your propaganda pictures life in USSR. Maybe you have some more interesting "facts"?