The *last* great American president.

[Animal]

sorry, too many will never forgive Bay of Pigs.

[whgates3]

Originally posted by Pongo
The last president that controled the press or had its unfailing support. coincidence I think not.

Give me a Carter over a Kennedy any day.

And what was wrong with Ike? He was a great president wasnt he?
Not flashy enought I guess..

Ike made the huge mistake of leting nixon near the white house.
Carter seems to have somewhat of a victim of sabotage, and of the mess left over by nixon as well as his own enormous ego, but probably not a bad guy (incidentally carter is one of few recent presidents to actually attempt to cut down the size of federal government, but the other was clinton so that dont put jimmy in much of a great class)

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by weazel
Reagan couldn't hold JFKs jockstrap, he's a prime example of how the presidency has turned into a beauty contest....all spin, no substance.

"No arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women."
                              --First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981

"The years ahead will be great ones for our country, for the cause of freedom and the spread of civilization. The West will not contain Communism, it will transcend Communism. We will not bother to denounce it, we'll dismiss it as a sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written."
                               ---Notre Dame Univ., May 17, 1981
 
"There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
                               ---West Berlin, June 12, 1987

Reagan’s policies ended the Cold War... yeah you're right, no substance  

[weazel]

Holden McGroin belched

"Reagan’s policies ended the Cold War... yeah you're right, no substance"



Bzzzzttttt....we're sorry, but you should have chosen Door #3 as Door #1 only held the idealized version of world events.

Wow, it never fails that someone will regurgitate the pre-chewed pap they've been fed by the "conservative" right wing.

*All* RoNAlD RaYGunZ did was reap the political bonanza his predecessors worked 40+ years to make.

Anything else is simply a self-serving lie....and you know it.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Animal
sorry, too many will never forgive Bay of Pigs.

Or the PT-109 incident, though Kennedy acted bravely after the fact.  How the hell can a PT boat commander allow his boat to be rammed by a destroyer?  Many of the WWII old timers thought he should have received a court martial after that.  The popular theory at the time was, the crew was sleeping off a beer drunk, and woke up to the collision.


Les

[weazel]

The puppet master?  Just another of the skeletons in the Bush closet.

1960:
Some investigators believe George Bush spent part of this year and the next in Miami on behalf of the CIA, organizing rightwing exiles for an invasion of Cuba. Is said to have worked with later Iran-Contra figure Felix Rodriguez."

1961:

 According to the Realist, CIA official Fletcher Prouty delivers three Navy ships to agents in Guatemala to be used in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Prouty claims he delivered the ships to a CIA agent named George Bush. Agent Bush named the ships the Barbara, Houston and Zapata.

Bay of Pigs invasion fails. Right-wingers blame Kennedy for failure to provide air cover. CIA loses 15 men, another 1100 are imprisoned."

Originally posted by Animal
sorry, too many will never forgive Bay of Pigs.

[funkedup]

LOL Weazel, it was JFK who INVENTED the election-as-beauty-contest.

[Samm]

JFK added at least 10 years to the cold war IMO . But I think Castro would've liked to have seen him re-elected . I think LBJ was a better pres.

[jonnyb]

Originally posted by weazel
Holden McGroin belched

"Reagan’s policies ended the Cold War... yeah you're right, no substance"



Bzzzzttttt....we're sorry, but you should have chosen Door #3 as Door #1 only held the idealized version of world events.

Wow, it never fails that someone will regurgitate the pre-chewed pap they've been fed by the "conservative" right wing.

*All* RoNAlD RaYGunZ did was reap the political bonanza his predecessors worked 40+ years to make.

Anything else is simply a self-serving lie....and you know it.

Reagan rode the coattails of 40 years of political action?  Yikes.  Reagan looked back at the 40 previous years and turned the entire thing around.  It was simple economics.  The United States could afford to outspend the USSR and run poor Gorbachev's economy even further into the dirt.  When the USSR couldn't afford to play with the US anymore, Gorbachev didn't have a choice but to preach perestroika.

Reagan's policies, and implementations of those policies, brought us out of decades of cold war.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by jonnyb
Reagan rode the coattails of 40 years of political action?  Yikes.  Reagan looked back at the 40 previous years and turned the entire thing around.  It was simple economics.  The United States could afford to outspend the USSR and run poor Gorbachev's economy even further into the dirt.  When the USSR couldn't afford to play with the US anymore, Gorbachev didn't have a choice but to preach perestroika.

Reagan's policies, and implementations of those policies, brought us out of decades of cold war.

Nice try Jonnyb, and a pretty clear understanding of reality, but weasel has made up his mind, dont bother him with facts.  He doesn't realize that detente' was a stalling tactic, and RR abandoned it in favor of a more direct approach.

[Leslie]

My Dad was born in 1911.  Woodrow Wilson was President from 1913 - 1921.  Then Taft, Harding, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and so forth up to Clinton.

I remember him saying Ronald Reagan was the best President he'd ever seen during all those years.


Les

[weazel]

Your saying Mr Cue Card spent then into the dirt in a mere 8 years?

PT Barnum would love you guys.

[Fatty]

No one even mentions Chicago?

[eskimo2]

FDR

[-ammo-]

Looking back,  There was one Roosevelt that was a great president, but it wasn't  Franklyn. Teddy was integrity defined.