Author Topic: eny value on 190f8? (Read 545 times)

hazed- · « **on:** November 29, 2002, 07:05:58 PM »

Id like to know why the 190f8 is so low on ENY?

the 190a8 is a similar plane but its 10 points higher.

190a8 is 35
190f8 is 25

anyone know why?

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2002, 09:04:10 PM »

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59949&highlight=190F8

100% agree.
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Innominate · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2002, 04:54:14 AM »

It's ENY is the least of it's problems.

Probably the reason the eny is so low is that it's such a useless plane that nobody flies it enough to care. There is nothing it does that the A8 doesnt do better.

ENY prettymuch needs to be completly redone for most planes. The least used fighter(P40b) is a 40 ENY plane.

hazed- · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2002, 07:38:22 AM »

well my point is i like to use it for ground attack now and then but it scores badly in terms of perks compared to the 190a8, which makes me want to use the 190a8 more.I thought the idea of perking was to encourage use of the more rare types and discourage the use of the common ones? have i got the wrong idea about perks?

confused here.

Wotan · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2002, 08:16:10 AM »

theres plenty of uses for the f8 in ah.

a few guys in my squad have over 100 kils in it and its the only plane they use for jabo. Saying it has no use is rediculous. What use would any axis fighter bomber have compared to US stuff if we were to take innominate seriously.

The f8 can kill 3 gvs. Even with 30mm the a8 has a tough time strafing fps and pnzrs. It may disable them but kills are hard to come by and you are more exposed to return fire.

The 190f8 is as good a 190 as any of umm and is an even better fighter bomber.

Its eny value should equal the the a5 or a8. But since gvs are easy to kill with its bombs I can understand why its value is lower. But since its usage is much lower I would like to see its eny value increased.

Innominate · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2002, 03:39:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
theres plenty of uses for the f8 in ah.

a few guys in my squad have over 100 kils in it and its the only plane they use for jabo. Saying it has no use is rediculous. What use would any axis fighter bomber have compared to US stuff if we were to take innominate seriously.

A few die hard luftwobbles fly it, so it MUST be good!

Wotan · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2002, 04:12:57 PM »

It just would make better sense if folks who actually fly a certain plane offered their opinion on it.

If I had a question about la7s or ack starring b26s I would look for your reply.

Innominate · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2002, 04:35:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
It just would make better sense if folks who actually fly a certain plane offered their opinion on it.

If I had a question about la7s or ack starring b26s I would look for your reply.

Nice generic dweeb reply, too bad it doesn't apply.

OK, I'm sorry I interrupted your attempt at auto-fellatio. Are we happy now?

Wotan · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2002, 05:46:46 PM »

dont offer advice on stuff you dont fly.

If you do you will be called on it. As for your name calling...... wow I am hurt....... an ack starrin la7 pilot calling me a dweeb.......

All this thread needs is your constant perk plane / gangbang whine.......

Innominate · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2002, 05:57:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
dont offer advice on stuff you dont fly.

If you do you will be called on it. As for your name calling...... wow I am hurt....... an ack starrin la7 pilot calling me a dweeb.......

All this thread needs is your constant perk plane / gangbang whine.......

Well I can't get kills any other way, what do you expect? I do have a few kills in planes besides the la7, but those were obviously all vulches.

My point is still valid. The less use a plane sees, the less push there will be to fix anything involving it. Thats far from "offering advice" on how to fly it. What advice did I offer anyways?

Wotan · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2002, 10:03:51 PM »

Dont put words in my mouth.

Heres what I said.

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dont offer advice on stuff you dont fly.

No where do you see the word "how".

People dont fly the f8 alot because all the other fighter-bomber planes carry more ord. The a8 is not a "better" fighter-bomber even with its 30s. You can kill 3 gvs with the ord on the f8 without exposing yourself to ground fire by strafing. You can kill as many buildings in an f8 as an a8. We have tested almost every structure and know how many rounds and how many of what type it will take to destroy them.

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There is nothing it does that the A8 doesnt do better.

This statement is false. And when I check to see how often you fly the f8 it would it shows you dunno what you are talking about.

Your point isnt valid, its wrong. The f8 eny is most likely lower do to its ability to kill gvs. Those of us that fly it understand this thats why theres no "push" to fix it. There are are few guys who fly it now and again that would like the eny value adjusted.

As for how you fly or what you fly, it only comes into question when you pressume to know about planes you dont fly.

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dont offer advice on stuff you dont fly.

Should read

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dont offer comment on stuff you dont fly.
If you do you will be called on it............

Like I said if this were a thread about ackstarring or la7s I will look with interest to your reply.

Innominate · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2002, 10:22:12 PM »

Exactly.
People don't fly the f8.

I'll rephrase what I said.

The 190A8 is a better general purpose ground attack plane. The 190F8 may be better at simply killing GV's, but it lacks the versatility of the a8's cannon load.

Just because you CAN do well in a plane, doesn't mean that it's a good plane. AH over the past few months is more baby-seal clubbing than anything else.

Anyways, I'll get back to my la7 now. I REALLY suck in it too, havnt gotten a kill all tour in it!

Anyways this is my last post in this thread, wotan if you'd like to argue more any time just email me.

Wotan · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2002, 10:33:32 PM »

no the f8 is better at killing structures like twn objects, hangers as well as gv. It doesnt carry the extra weight of the mk108s in the wing and has as much ammo as a d9. Its a better lo alt fight then the a8.

The people who fly it know that.

But it doesnt carry the ord that the us stuff does. This has nothing to do with the a8 or eny values. However folks who like 190s and lw planes exclusively use it. These folks are more concerned with different load outs then the eny value. Lw planes across the board earn more perks then most of the other planesets. Thats why you see multiple threads asking for more ord options and not very many about the eny value.

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2002, 12:06:53 AM »

I agree.

A month after 1.09 or 1.10 came out I posted a long list of ENY values and those that stood out as just wrong. The Fw190F-8 was among those I pointed out as just wrong. For some reason HTC changed the ones I pointed out, as well as others that needed adjustment, but left the Fw190F-8 where it was.

That puzzled me.

Between the ENY value and the lack of so many loadout options the Fw190F-8 is porked.

hazed- · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2002, 09:30:06 AM »

Karnak Im also puzzled by it.Maybe its something to do with the 4x50kgs but if it is then this points to other aircraft that should have similar changes for their ordinance.

Wouldnt this mean any aircraft loading up with bombs should have a lower ENY immediately imposed?

shouldnt this mean the la7 loaded up with its 2x100lbers should lose 5 or 10 more ENY points?

I wonder?