Author Topic: "Advanced" Training? (Read 2512 times)

Urchin · « **on:** December 02, 2002, 11:51:46 PM »

Ok, here goes. I've been kicking this idea around in my head for a while now.

Everyone knows you can get help with 'basic' manuevers. Or some help with a basic way to 'fly' a plane. I.E. BnZ with the fast ones, turn and turn with the slow ones.

I'm no good at all with helping these people- I don't have the patience for it. If they don't know the basics, I'm not the right guy to show em.

That said, I've had a great deal of fun taking 'average' or 'good' pilots, and trying to give them the knowledge they need to become 'great' pilots.

I think there is a definate 'plateau' where you can get the help you need to get you started, but then there isn't the help readily available to get people to the 'next level' as it were.

I've been contemplating getting a number of guys together and making ourselves available for basically showing anyone who is curious how we do what we do. In other words.. someone may ask "I've recently started flying the 190A5 (for example), but I can't seem to win any fights against Spits, or La7s (or whatever).. can you show me what I need to learn?'

I've been doing it on a somewhat random basis with anyone that approaches me, but I think it would be better if there was a crew of guys that people KNEW were available to help with rather more 'advanced' stuff.

I think it might lead to some of the more uncommon planes becoming common if people weren't afraid that they'd lose some 'advantage' to Joe Newb in the la7 (or whatever). I also think it'd lead to more pilots becoming better, which would be a good thing, in my opinion.

Any of you guys have any ideas on a good way to get this started? Or possibly want to volunteer yourself as well?

Ecliptik · « **Reply #1 on:** December 03, 2002, 12:01:44 AM »

Very commendable Urchin, I'd love something like that. I consider my ACM skills average, or marginally above average at best, and I'd love to keep learning. Unfortunately, I think quite a lot of the best of the best out there are quite happy with keeping their "trade secrets".

Tarmac · « **Reply #2 on:** December 03, 2002, 12:09:33 AM »

So here goes: I've recently started flying the 190A5, but I can't seem to win any fights against La7s...

I can't help you too much with training others, but I'd love watch some experienced 190 pilots and get some help in the 190 A-5 (or whatever 190 version). If you get a crew of trainer pilots together, please keep us updated on the BB.

batdog · « **Reply #3 on:** December 03, 2002, 07:30:51 AM »

Urchin, if I'm on tonight lets goto the DA. I wanna practice my augering skills once again.

xBAT

vorticon · « **Reply #4 on:** December 03, 2002, 01:06:13 PM »

good idea...maybe id be able to get more than 5 kills...5 kills is good right??? considering im in a hurri2c in teh hth and using a MOUSE

xHaMmeRx · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2002, 07:40:53 PM »

Urchin,

I can put a web page on my netaces site to list those willing to help and maybe even a semi-schedule if people are willing to commit that much time. Names and email addresses of those willing to give up some time, along with what they are comfortable instructing, would be a good place to start.

Hammer
netAces.org - Tips, Tactics and More!

JBA · « **Reply #6 on:** December 05, 2002, 01:23:27 PM »

xHaMmeRx

your site has been the best help to me personally. I printed all flight insturctions (merge loops etc.) and carry them with me on my commute to work and read them daily. Thank you.

The Soda's air craft evaluation is a must read. IMO

I recommend that any pilot looking for a condensed version of flight ACM should read your site.

I have begun to land multi kills and this has made my game play more enjoyable.

once again Thank you.

JBA

MaddogJoe · « **Reply #7 on:** December 05, 2002, 06:34:41 PM »

Ya know, this is what makes this kind of game great !!! People like Urchin, and Hammer willing to go the extra mile and half to help !!

I would love to follow their example and be one of those trainers Urchin is looking for, unfortunatly I'm not even an average player.... yet

but with people like Urchin and Hammer putting out the info, it won't be long !!!

Thanks again guys, and keep it up !

Maddog Joe

GRDuckett · « **Reply #8 on:** December 05, 2002, 07:46:26 PM »

I have recieved some 1 on 1 training from urchin in the DA. I have to say that he is a great guy and a great stick.

I Salute you Urchin for beying willing to spend time with people and teach them something.

Urchin really didnt know me from Adam, but when I asked him to help me he was more than willing. Not just for 10 or 15 mins either, I have spent hours with him in the DA. I feel like I can spend time with him anytime. All I have to do is ask. Not to mention the informative write ups on this BB.

Urchin....anything I can do to help just let me know....Duck

fffreeze220 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 06, 2002, 08:59:54 AM »

can please some 1 post the link to Soda's air craft evaluation page.
I lost all my Links

MaddogJoe · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2002, 03:59:42 PM »

here ya go! SODA's Plane Page

Maddog Joe

Urchin · « **Reply #11 on:** December 08, 2002, 05:38:35 PM »

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Originally posted by xHaMmeRx
Urchin,

I can put a web page on my netaces site to list those willing to help and maybe even a semi-schedule if people are willing to commit that much time. Names and email addresses of those willing to give up some time, along with what they are comfortable instructing, would be a good place to start.

Hammer
netAces.org - Tips, Tactics and More!

Hammer, I'd like that. My name in-game is Urchin. My email addresses are Urchin@3-jg2.com and Shodges1@comcast.net.

I usually play nights and weekends, but if I'm not working I'll be on any time of day.

AV8 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 09, 2002, 04:48:18 PM »

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Originally posted by xHaMmeRx
Urchin,

I can put a web page on my netaces site to list those willing to help and maybe even a semi-schedule if people are willing to commit that much time. Names and email addresses of those willing to give up some time, along with what they are comfortable instructing, would be a good place to start.

Hammer
netAces.org - Tips, Tactics and More!

HaMmeR

thats a brilliant idea..

I`m absolutely pathetic at fighter tactics, due to, mainly a frame rate of 30+ and a tendency to do the one thing that is guaranteed to get me shot down

I can read all the books and web sites on awareness and it all goes for a ball of chalk once the fight starts

I`m sure there are Lots and lots of people like me who need a real person to "talk" them thro` all the manoeuvres that you and your website list.......

I, for one would really appreciate a "one to one" (For about 8 weeks) with a really experienced pilot

thanks

AV8

Soda · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2002, 05:46:37 PM »

I wonder if HT would consider an advanced help program. I tend to drop by the TA from time to time to offer my services to help people, but few of the more "advanced" questions are asked of me. Usually the only responses I get are from people who are very new, looking for help operating the radio, or such. That's cool, best to get them started out on the right foot, but when it comes to the more advanced stuff, people seem to generally not really want to listen/want help. They simply furball in the reduced lethality of the TA thinking they are improving... it's no wonder they are furballers when they arrive in the MA.

The real skills of the advanced pilots in AH almost all revolve around SA and proper attack techniques (ie, getting yourself into the right position at the right time). Shooting skills at D500+ are not really the things to learn, if you can get yourself to D200 by proper technique and take your shot from there, you simply can't miss. I don't think a lot of people have proper appreciation for the differences in aircraft either... they think everything is a spitfire.

Good idea though guys, a for taking the time. Let me know if I can help. A truely personal touch from an experienced pilot, even 1-2 evenings worth , can improve someone 100times more than 50 hours of mindless furballing.

-Soda
The Assassins.

Urchin · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2002, 08:36:22 PM »

Hammer is going to put my email up on his site for a 'advanced' trainer.

Soda is right though- the only real 'advanced' training I can offer is a few defensive moves, and proper attack technique. However, I think that is what makes the difference between a 'good' pilot and a 'great' one.

I'm having a blast doing it, I volunteered to help a new squadmate, and I can literally SEE the improvement day to day. It is very satisfying, for me at least.