Author Topic: The Hammerhead - An opinion (Read 1833 times)

ArtLaws · « **on:** April 30, 2001, 07:27:00 AM »

I have never made a single kill with the sucker move known as the
"HAMMERHEAD". Nor do I teach it to any I newbee I train. But they hear
about it and my experience. They won't be falling for many your little
hammerheads. I warn them that some of the best pilots in the game can do
1000s of tempting variations of 1 simple newbee killer move "THE
HAMMERHEAD". You pilots are using the fact that a persons veiw is
limited. In this and all other sims. A real pilot has over 200 degrees of vision.
if we had the ability to recreate that vision "NO ONE-EXCEPT THE
EXTREMELY STUPID" would knowingly pull up into a straight vertical
stall. You are using this game limation to get the magority of your kills. So I
say you are cheating. Yes your a bunch pansy cheaters. IMO If anyone can
show my WWII Film of a SINGLE hammerhead kill. I would like to see it.
How many times would you do that SUCKER MOVE in the real world. As
your pulling into the SUCKER MOVE, my WINGMAN drop froms alt and
makes a big mess in the cockpit of your plane. You are a sitting duck during
the move, if we all flew with wingmen in this game as they did in reality you
would not return to base many times.
The thing that really pisses me off is that the same people who DEPEND on
this SUCKER MOVE are the same people who will squeak for hours a day
about the flight modeling of NIK or this or that. I suggest the planes are fine,
maybe its our own flight modeling skills we should work on. Art

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2001, 07:31:00 AM »

Sounds like someone got hit by the rope-a-dope one too many times last night

AKDejaVu

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2001, 07:33:00 AM »

BTW, getting the enemy to stall has always been a maneuver used in any aircraft during any war. Energy rules supreme.. those who have more are at a distinct advantage.

Its foolish not to use that advantage.

AKDejaVu

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2001, 07:45:00 AM »

Read Bud Anderson's book "To Fly and Fight", in it he pretty much describes a straight up a vertical fight to the poit of both him and the 109 stalling out and falling away, then doing it over till he is able to shoot the 109. It did happend, here it prolly happends more than in RL due to more importance being placed on absolute capabilites of the planes since we all dont really care about gettting, o ummm, killed!

garrido · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2001, 08:03:00 AM »

You forget the sun, in the real life the single blind person, in AH the sun does not blind, if you blinded you do not see the enemy airplane in hammer, hammer towards against the sun and with ventaje of And much on the part of the Germans was always used.

Sorry for me bad english.

Supongo

bigUC · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2001, 08:04:00 AM »

Nothing is as humiliating as falling for that move

I've been suckered in a 100 times, and every time I've banged my head against the keyboard, swearing that I'd never fall for it again. Those few times I've managed to pull it off myself always makes me grin - its a move that shows you are using more than stickpulling and if you feel it is cheating then you better keep that box of stress releaving sedatives around!
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BigUC

Citabria · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2001, 08:11:00 AM »

i was on a rampage in H2H and nailed him more than a few times roping him. one variation of Artlaws being roped was him standing on his bellybutton shooting at my stalled 190a5 while animal blew him to hell from the side.

it was much fun.

Jekyll · « **Reply #7 on:** April 30, 2001, 08:22:00 AM »

Hehe Cit, after seeing Artlaws post exactly the same thread in here and also in the 'Training' forum, I figured he must have lost one too many fights to a good energy fighter.

C'mon Artlaws.. it's just a game. Getting suckered into a 'rope-a-dope' is nothing to be ashamed of

P.S. no matter how many times you tell someone not to follow a vertical fighter they will still do it. I know... I've been killed at least 100 times in a -rope-a-dope', and I've gotten at least the same number of kills from doing it to others.

It's almost hypnotic ... "He's going vertical ... yes I can get him ... Oh toejam no I can't ... I'm stalling ... where is he? ... Oh damn he's behind me ...(ping, ping, ping BOOM)".

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Wilbus · « **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2001, 08:38:00 AM »

First of all ArtLwas, the view system in AH is MORE then good, we have the abilty to chnage head position to about everywhere and we have a 360 degree vision, we can look STRAIGHT behind us, we don't have any limited head movements or anything like that so stop complaining about that because it IS better then in Real Life, if you have ever tried flying a Singleseater while turning and looking around up in the sky, you'll notice it's pretty much harder then in AH.

Second, Hammerhead is a form of Enery tactics like all other said, rope and dope. It works even on the best pilots sometimes and then again, sometimes, if you missjudge the enemies E, you fail, might even get killed.

Suggest you find something a bit more important to complain about.

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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 Eismeer

"Only the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be."

Adolf Galland

AG Sachsenberg · « **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2001, 09:04:00 AM »

SO thats what a hammerhead is, never knew that, been doing it a lot but never knew it had a name. I get quite a few kills that way in LW AC. Interesting and this is a cheat? Ok from now on I wil not carry bullets in my guns.

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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 04-30-2001).]

-lynx- · « **Reply #10 on:** April 30, 2001, 09:12:00 AM »

is IT possible to PERFORM a HAMMERHEAD in real LIFE???? yes. IS there a plane in AH PLANESET that is NOT capable of this MANOEUVRE? No. HOW is IT cheating THEN??? AND why AM I TYPING like THis???

Animal · « **Reply #11 on:** April 30, 2001, 10:46:00 AM »

lol

ArtLaws is just pissed that he is stupid enough to get suckered to a rope for like 5 times in a row.

It was hilarious, I thought his going postal on channel 1 about "hammerhead punks" was just a joke or a troll.

(MIND YOU, ArtLaws was flying Tempest against our 190a5, and he STILL lost several times to dumb rope'a dopes)

...

get ready arena, now every time I get killed I will use ACM whines

SPLIT S DWEEB LEARN TO HO LIKE THE PROS

HAMMERHEAD PUNK CHEATER COME AND TURN FIGHT MY SPIT LIKE A MAN

LEAD TURNING ACM DWEEB COME CHASE ME DOWN TO MY OWN ACK LIKE THE REAL PILOTS DID IN WW2 YOU CHEATER

Trust me guys, forget about nik and chog whinning. ACM Whinning is the new wave!

NHFoxtro · « **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »

I've been killed many times by them also. More than I have killed. The last time I followed someone up was last Tour and it was Regurge, I thought he didn't see me comming till I got close enough to see his landing gear out to stall his plane faster. Then I said DAMM!!! I got suckered again!! The out come wasn't as bad, we ended up killing one another.

loser · « **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2001, 12:03:00 PM »

am i going to see this in the o club too?

Dowding · « **Reply #14 on:** April 30, 2001, 12:05:00 PM »

I never follow any other plane in a climb unless I know for sure I have much more energy than them.

The hammerhead does take skill - it's all about timing. You don't want the pursuer too far away when you reach the maximum point in your climb, and you don't want them too close so that they shoot you in the arse. I've only ever done it a couple of times - most people will break off before they even start to stall.