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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2002, 10:19:00 AM »
Lazs -
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beetle... our government doesn't track stats in england because... well.... we just don't care what you do..
Erm, I doubt that. But assuming that for one moment it is true, what is your source of data on the UK? You seem to like quoting stats, so if what you say in the quote above is true, your comments are without foundation and you really are, as I suspected, talking out of your arse.

Mr. Toad!  hehe, you've chosen an opportune moment to depart from this thread. ;) But I agree - we have hijacked pongo's thread. Sorry Pongo - this is my last post here.

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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2002, 10:21:03 AM »
I feel certain you'll find the "continuation" thread. :cool:
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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2002, 10:22:57 AM »
beetle... what stats are you saying that I have quoted without documentation?   I either give the documentation or make it clear that it is my opinion.

I noticed that you have conviently not stuck to the content of this thread tho.   What do you think of Canada's plane.... please don't tell me that you are not interested in voicing your opinions about another countries policies even tho you have absolutely no info other than the (LOL) "home office".  
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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2002, 03:23:32 PM »
"...The program was supposed to cost 500 million.....It has cost a net 1billion and the are asking for another 72 million...".

Actually it was supposed to cost 2 million in startup costs and it ended up costing 500 times that...1 billion.  Then they had the nerve to ask for more money since they now have no money left in the budget to operate the program.

You can argue the merits of a gun registry all you want, but what has upset most people is the mismanagement of money.

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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2002, 04:52:06 PM »
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You can argue the merits of a gun registry all you want, but what has upset most people is the mismanagement of money.


That's even sadder.

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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2002, 07:39:13 PM »
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That's even sadder.


It's called debate.  I don't see how that's a bad way to discusses the merits and flaws of an idea.  Usually better to debate an idea then to blindly follow some idea just because someone thinks it's a good idea.

Bowser, I heard the startup cost was supposed to be $500 million, which was supposed to be offset by $499 million in fees.

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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2002, 08:57:32 PM »
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It's called debate.


Enlighten me, what's the debate?  Individual rights vs the cost of eliminating them?
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2002, 09:18:35 PM »
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Enlighten me, what's the debate?  Individual rights vs the cost of eliminating them?


Go look it up and then come back a pretend you know what the hell you are talking about.

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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2002, 10:42:44 PM »
From what I've read, the feds figured they would collect about 140 million in registration fees which would cover all of the startup costs except for 2 million.  However, that was based on a $60 registration fee which has been discounted and waived in many cases to encourage compliance.  And of course a lot fewer people have registered then anticipated.  So they didn't get much of that $140 million.  As well, a $227 million computer system which is already out of date added to the cost.  Not sure where the other $600 or so million went.  Maybe office supplies?  What the annual operating costs will be is "unclear" at this point.  Yikes.

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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2002, 11:53:34 PM »
Hell, they spent 37 million on just the TV adds, not the airtime, of those 2 goofs in the bar saying "it's time to get a license and register guns, blah blah blah".  BTW that was another insider scandal that got swept under the rug, look it up.

Alan Rock promised me to my face in Calgary, and several other people including police officers that the costs to the taxpayer would be 2 million or less, with 120 million being a stratosphere figure that was to be made up by fees.  He also promised he'd scrap the law, then resign if it ever topped 120 million.

The money is what gets joe public angry, but to me, it's just the uselessness of the law.  If anyone can tell me just once where this law we have saved anyone's life, I'd love to hear it.

All they've been doing is building a confiscation list.  Come back to this thread in a year or two, maybe less, when every gun in this country hits the prohibited list.

BTW, the new FRT ident disk we got today had a "slip up" in it, where the Feds reclassified a bunch of target pistols and rifles typically considered non-restriced or restricted to prohbited, so in reality it has already begun.  This is precisely what happened to everyone in the UK and Australia.  

This + Kyoto will be a sore spot with Western Canada that will likely be beyond repair.

All you pro-liberal guys should have a look at the figures very closely here, and consider what we're getting into with other similar deals, such as Kyoto and other high risk ventures.  I'm not wanting to debate whether Kyoto for example is good or bad, but we are talking about numbers will a decimal place added to them in relation to the gun-law debocle.  That would be enough to bring a Nation down IMO, if it was equally mismanaged.

This government has got to go, how unfortunate there is nobody else capable here of doing the job either.  Makes you want to take a long walk off a short bridge when you think about it to long.
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« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2002, 08:11:48 AM »
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Go look it up and then come back a pretend you know what the hell you are talking about.

The people who sold you this brilliant scheme surely knew what they were talking about.

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« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2002, 10:53:35 AM »
I believe that regestration is simply the first step in the real agenda.... confiscation.   maybe not this year but soon..  I hope that I am wrong but I don't trust any government that has the means to round up all the weapons it citizens may use against it.   In short... I don't trust any government that doesn't trust me with firearms.
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2002, 12:03:47 PM »
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All you pro-liberal guys should have a look at the figures very closely here, and consider what we're getting into with other similar deals, such as Kyoto and other high risk ventures.  I'm not wanting to debate whether Kyoto for example is good or bad, but we are talking about numbers will a decimal place added to them in relation to the gun-law debocle.  That would be enough to bring a Nation down IMO, if it was equally mismanaged.

This government has got to go, how unfortunate there is nobody else capable here of doing the job either.  Makes you want to take a long walk off a short bridge when you think about it to long.


an interesting north of the border read

seems your not the only thinking this way

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« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2002, 12:12:09 PM »
I think LAZ an BEETLE are in LOVE:eek:

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« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2002, 12:49:29 PM »
"But of course it is not a real Parliament run by real people: Ottawa is a surreal place, in which a billion dollars hardly matters, accountability by elected officials is a joke and cynical spin doctors make their living by counselling the government and the media about the stupidity of the voters."

Change Parliament to Congress and Ottawa to Washington, and you have the US.  Pretty scary, huh?