Author Topic: Canadian Gun registry hits rough waters (Read 1850 times)

Pongo · « **on:** December 06, 2002, 11:31:43 AM »

Lots of press in canada about our national gun registry. The program was supposed to cost 500 million and bring in 499 million in fees...It has cost a net 1billion and the are asking for another 72 million. After an uproar in the house of commons the goverment withdrew its request for further money.

In talking about this topic at work and with friends..I am amazed at how many people view gun control in canada. Certainly my support of the concept is not typical of the people I have talked to. Most of them think the concept is silly as the criminals will just ignore it. And if carried through it will make a class of criminals out of other wise law abiding citizens. They think gun proliferation is bad..but the current registration is percieved as silly.
An opinion no doubt shared by many people on this board.

A very close friend of mine was particularly elequent on the issue.
"When was the last time that a new law made our lives better or achieved its pronounced goal" she said.
"Drunk driving has worked I think" I replied...
"Drunk driving works because the police pull you over arbitratly and and you have to prove you are not drunk,
Are we willing to have road blocks that arbitrarily search for firearms..or arbitrary search of homes where you must prove you have no firearms?"

I had no answer for that...and I am still thinking about it.

Vermillion · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2002, 11:40:10 AM »

Gun laws like Canada's don't make much sense to me (as well as many in the US). By definition isn't a criminal already someone who is ignoring or breaking the law? So why would they hesitate to do so again?

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Are we willing to have road blocks that arbitrarily search for firearms..or arbitrary search of homes where you must prove you have no firearms?"

hehehe they try that in the US, and there's gonna be some serious firefights !

In the part of the country where I live, if the Feds didn't come in with armor and attack choppers, the locals would most likely send them packing with their tails between their legs (and even then it might get dicey). And if you think I'm kidding, do some research on the Coal field wars, and some of the other things that have went on during Strikes or Fueds in the Appalachians. People around here are very serious about their guns.

ra · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2002, 11:48:48 AM »

2 questions:

- is it $500 million a year, or is that just the startup cost?
- what is gun registration expected to accomplish?

With the rate of gun crime in Canada already so low, why mess with a good thing?

I know, none of my Yankee business.

ra

Thrawn · « **Reply #3 on:** December 06, 2002, 11:49:49 AM »

Our government is bellybutton and full of ultra melons.

Anyone that voted Liberal in the last election has my sincerest .

Thrawn · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2002, 11:54:43 AM »

- is it $500 million a year, or is that just the startup cost?

Start up.

- what is gun registration expected to accomplish?

Who diddlying knows.

- With the rate of gun crime in Canada already so low, why mess with a good thing?

Who diddlying knows.

- I know, none of my Yankee business.

Sure it is. NRA can have a field day with this.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #5 on:** December 06, 2002, 12:16:50 PM »

man that bites.

The one thing you can count on is criminals ignoring the law(s).

Krusher · « **Reply #6 on:** December 06, 2002, 12:32:19 PM »

lets see 1 billion for gun registry and 1.7 Billion over 3 years for the defense budget.

nice priorities

SirLoin · « **Reply #7 on:** December 06, 2002, 12:55:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
lets see 1 billion for gun registry and 1.7 Billion over 3 years for the defense budget.

nice priorities

It is an embarassment we are 17th outta 18 NATO nations for defense spending per capita.

It wasn't so long ago when we were at the leading edge of defense development.But the federal Conservative party chopped the Avro Arrow and thus began the steady decline in spending,pride and dependace on our southern friends.

vorticon · « **Reply #8 on:** December 06, 2002, 01:24:22 PM »

thrawn you live in ottowa your in a perfect position to DO something about it...or one of your visiting yankee freinds

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** December 06, 2002, 01:28:59 PM »

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'INEXCUSABLE FAILURE'

In her report, the A-G lambasted the Liberal regime for its "inexcusable failure" to provide complete information on the gun registry and other spending messes.

This is the same A-G who blasted the Chretienites for not spending enough on the armed forces to replace its deteriorating and obsolete equipment. And she blew the whistle on questionable spending on Liberal-connected promotion programs in Quebec.

Her audits have revealed such government idiocies as sending heating rebate cheques to 7,500 dead people, 1,600 convicts and to 4,000 people who didn't even live in Canada.

Of course, the Canadian Alliance and other opposition parties can scream all they want about such incompetence and horrible waste of taxpayers' dollars.

As in the days of Henderson, Liberal MPs have been grumbling about Fraser's findings - suggesting she isn't impartial. And perhaps they'll try to get her dumped - the same kind of tactic they tried against Henderson.

Hopefully, they will fail. Canadians need her services badly, even if the arrogant Liberals keep on ignoring her findings - the bitter, costly truth.

<http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/macdonald.html>

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Thrawn · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2002, 01:51:33 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
thrawn you live in ottowa your in a perfect position to DO something about it...or one of your visiting yankee freinds

Good point, someone send me a pie.

Heheh.

Toad · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2002, 02:04:10 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
It is an embarassment we are 17th outta 18 NATO nations for defense spending per capita.

.... thus began the steady decline in spending,pride and dependace on our southern friends.

What's one more? Don't worry, we'll cover for you guys too.

Gman · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 2002, 02:39:19 PM »

It was originally supposed to cost TWO million dollars, with any additional costs covered by fees.

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Are we willing to have road blocks that arbitrarily search for firearms..or arbitrary search of homes where you must prove you have no firearms?"

Pongo my pal, this exists already, part of C68 says that if the police merely SUSPECT that there is firearms in a residence, they DO NOT need a warrant in order to search your home specifically for those firearms. You probably think I'm joking, but check out the MP who is the whip for the Firearms act's website.

My personal favorite, 132% error rate, which is accurate IMO as many of my cop pals who own firearms OWN files are in error with the Canadian Firearms Center. Hell, I sold a USP over 16 months ago to an RCMP member, and the CFC still is adamant that I should have it at my place, even though I have their paperwork saying it is transfered. Crazyness.

A local radio talk show host here who is VERY anti gun had a great show the other day. His home province Ontario had 3900 accidental deaths last year. 199 were with firearms. 87% of those were suicides. 11% were Homocides, and 80% of those were with smuggled non registered pistols from the USA. A whole FOUR people died from accidents. What a crock of toejam to spend a billion dollars on. Here is the best part: If the Liberals main motivation is "safety" and "gun violence prevention", why in the diddly did the 650+ people caught AT the border smuggling INTENTIONALLY handguns into this country NOT get ONE DAY of jail time. WTF?!?! Ya, that just solidifies the argument that confiscation lists is what this is all about. Lloyd Axworthy, one time Foreign affairs minister, at a UN summit on gun control, stood up in front of the world and said Canada would take the lead in the west in "disarming citizens", since only the "police and military should be armed at all". These were his exact words. Well, it is out in the wash now.

The Mini-14 Marc Lepine used exactly 13 years ago today to murder 13 women at Polytechnique, the event that spawned this law, can still be purchased in 5 minutes from any store in this country. Marc Lepine's own rifle was bought legally with the register system (FAC at every gun shop) in 1989. This law does not do the women who died any justice whatsoever, IMO the anit gun movement dishounors them by continuing to support this abortion. If they got tougher on crime, and acutally enforced the laws, instead of saying "oh poor Hamir is a refugee and just made a mistake, so we won't charge his handsomehunk, and take his handgun and send him on his way", we'd have a lot more success and a lot less violence. But when people are bent on mass homicide, like Lepine was, a gun will always be gotten a hold of, laws or not.

Handguns have been registered since 1934. Fat good it has done us. Obviously this is about confiscation and disarmament, as the facts are staring everyone right in the face as to how the '34 law has helped us.

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/guncontrol.htm

Read that from the bottom to the top if you want to see the REAL waste, it's ridiculous.

lazs2 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 2002, 02:49:01 PM »

gman... I think you can see why we in the U.S. are so suspicious of "gun regestration" and fear confiscation and loss of liberty as a result. In the U.S. the anti gun crowd comes up with some new way to make owning firearms more complex and expensive every day. They know they can't take peoples guns away legaly so they try to make it to much trouble to own one.

We see england and Canada and australia gun laws and we don't want any part of that crap.
lazs

Hangtime · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2002, 02:52:47 PM »

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Our government is bellybutton and full of ultra melons.

LOL Thrawn!

You just became human in my eyes.