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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2002, 01:03:44 PM »
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So you are telling me that Canada is spending 1 billion a year to register and keep track of guns in the hands of law-abiding (by default) citizens while they only spend 1.7 billion over three years on national defense. What on earth are you people thinking?  I bet those few snipers in Afghanistan were the whole Canadian army. And didnt the Canadian government reject a US request to award some combat performance and bravery medals to that unit because it could be seen as "militarism" in sensitive Canadian minds?

No its only 1 billion total. But that is in an economy 1/10th the size of the US. It would be 10 billion there.

In the same time frame we probably spent 5 billion on defence. But that is still a pathetic amount.

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« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2002, 05:37:59 PM »
The only interest i have on this issue is one of wasteful and down right senseless spending by our Government.  Another handsomehunked program in a seemingly endless string of handsomehunked programs.

The actual legislation doesnt really affect anything more than the bottom line on my paycheck.  But of course if the Liberal government didnt spend this billion dollars on gun registration, they would surely find something even more idiotic to spend it on.

I dont own a gun, though I have.  I dont hunt or shoot on a range, though I have.  When the Canadian gub'ment decided to come out with this and previous gun registration, I got rid of all my firearms.  It just wasnt worth the hassle or money.  

This is a reflection of my view on firearms.  Unlike lazs and others who hold the opinon that gun ownership = freedom (and they are entitle to this opinion,) I dont feel "oppressed" by my government restricting my access to firearms.

The real problem is that all this money is spent with no measureable benefit.  In fact, like so many others like myself, people have given up hunting and sporting with firearms because of gun registration.  That hurts so many sectors of the economy that 1 billion dollars seems like chump change.

Besides that, I GUARANTEE, that if i wanted to purchase any firearm (within reason) I could have it within 48 hours.  Note: I have no intention of doing so. When you weigh the cost of the program with the benefits, this program just doesnt make sense.

p.s: Some of the most fun i had at the con was with ab8aac at the range.

p.p.s: Thrawn, i spoil my ballot every time I vote :)

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« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2002, 05:51:11 PM »
^^

The above is probably where a lot of gun owning and non-gun owning Canadians stand.

Regardless of how you feel about using guns, and peoples ability/rights to do so, the waste of money on something 100% useless, and in fact dangerous, is inexcusable.

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« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2002, 06:44:32 PM »
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p.p.s: Thrawn, i spoil my ballot every time I vote :)


Good for you, I certain hold more respect for the person that actually goes out and spoils there ballot then for the one that just doesn't bother to vote.

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« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2002, 09:00:33 AM »
loser... I think you rove my point.   The government doesn't have to ban anything to get rid of it.  In fact... banning creates backlash... no.. all they have to do is make it so expensive and so much trouble that the casual and new user will throw up their hands and voluntarily surrender their rights.   If that doesn't make you feel like your government is oppressing you then you differ so much from the average American that we could never agree.   We don't trust our government here.   No big deal but... It is allways best to question authority.   Why set in motion a huge, wasteful program that could not possibly achieve it's STATED goals?

Are they that incompetent?   that stupid?   I mean.. It is fun to say so but really... Could they have missjudged by that large of an amount?   I say no.   I say that they had a pretty good handle on what the resul and the cost would be before they even started... Or at least... I believe my government would have and does.

simply not caring personaly about hunting or target shooting is no excuse to take away the freedom of fellow citizens and the future generation.
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« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2002, 01:37:35 PM »
I work for the Canadian Gov. We leave the CFC out of budget benchmarks because it's so f@#$ed up.

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« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2002, 03:52:18 PM »
171 firearms homicides of all kinds in canada in 2001.
Almost such a small number that you wonder what problem they are trying to solve with this billion dollar program.

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« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2002, 05:25:18 PM »
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...you wonder what problem they are trying to solve with this billion dollar program.


Obviously Canadian taxpayers had a billion dollars burning a hole in their pocket.  The politicians were nice enough to put that fire out fast.

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« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2002, 08:59:55 AM »
if solving gun crimes or preventing you from hurting yourselves is the reason then they are spending a lot of money for very little return... i can't imagine anything more wasteful... Being an American and naturally suspicious of big brother... i would conclude that their stated objective and their real one were two different things.

I don't trust a government that doesn't trust me with firearms.

one time in Canada visiting my brother who is a citizen... I forgot about the Ruger speed six (four inch barell 6 shot in 38 special)in the van as I went across the border..  When I realized that i was in canada with an illegal firearm I was with a friend of my brothers..  He was facinated by the gun...Before I knwe it I had a dozen guys out at my brothers farm all looking at the "pistol"... I had one box of rounds plus 6 in the gun.. everyone wanted to shoot a "pistol"   Only one of the dozen had ever shot a pistol and all believed that the gun would not hit a person from more than across the room.   I set a 5 gallon can out about 75 yards and put 6 into it.   I let them all take turns shooting a few rounds and everyone had a really great time.... Seeing these guys shoot a handgun for the first timne and knowing it was probly their last..It was enough to make you weep.
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« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2002, 10:31:45 AM »
Lazs - my eyes are welling up with tears. May I borrow your shoulder? Oh, the emotion - I can't stand it...:(

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« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2002, 02:58:48 PM »
didn't think you would get it beetle... any nannying is good nannying to you.   never met a "home office" proclomation you didn't like.    They wouldn't do it it if wasn't for your own good... you are to stupid to know what's good for you.   they are saving you from yourself.  
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« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2002, 03:47:34 PM »
You don't get it lazs, you flaming hypocritic.

For the most part we like the way things are here just fine, and don't need you coming here with your illegal weapons and actually breaking our laws.  Cripes, at least all beet1e has done is talk.

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« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2002, 09:00:09 AM »
You don't get it thrawn you flaming hypocrite... we don't need you coming here and trying to take away my 2nd amendment rights.

i brought the gun in by accident.  I wouldn't take the risk other wise.   It was your citizens that were only too happy to "break the law"  they did not seem all that happy with the status quo...they seemed very worried that we might get caught by the nannies tho.   Every one of them is going around now with the memory of a good time shared that involved a handgun... every time your nanny tells em how evil a gun is from now on they will recall the truth and lose a little more respect for the busybodies.
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« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2002, 09:06:26 AM »
Lazs..You need to see "Bowling For Columbine"'.

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« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2002, 09:21:21 AM »
sirloin... I will make you a deal... I will hunt out and watch the moore movie  if.... you will read John Lotts "more guns less crime"

I will even buy you a copy if you wish.
lazs