anonymous moderators

[MrLars]

Originally posted by nuchpatrick

I like the idea of a "mod" being around..for the fact that some people can't contain their actions and need to be baby sat.

But it DOES seem that a few of the moderators need the same kind of < oversight > babysitters...no?

[Steve]

I've been muted a few times.. deserved it every time too.  Only concern I have is that the application of "mutes" seems very arbitrary.  I've been muted in flight, only to have to sit there siliently while one or more people were allowed to abuse me in the same manner for which I was muted.  As much as human nature allows, I think the fingers on the trigger should remain unbiased.

Shane you're just about hopeless.  You squeak about ganger dweebs?  It's your own damned fault if you put yourself in a position to be attacked  by multiple bad guys. You oughta be calling yourself names, like: Bad decision dweeb, or poor SA dweeb.  The people you are squeaking at are the least responsible for your situation.  Get a clue and blame yourself, you're the only one at fault for you getting "ganged".
 I fly on your side and you're just as guilty of jumping someone that is already engaged as the very same guys you squeak at.  So not only are you whining at the wrong people, you're hypocritical about it as well.  

You really don't understand why you get so many pop up warnings do you?  You honestly believe that you should be allowed to carry on your endless diatribe of abuse simply because it is bereft of vulgarity?  Like I said, I fly on your team(rooks) and I get tired of the endless scrolling you create on my screen...most of which is abuse of one person or another. Yes, I squelch you a lot.. sad because you are often fighting in my area..but it doesn't mean you aren't still on ch1 spewing your crap. Yes sometimes I get into it with people, but you run on constantly and nearly endlessly....shut your fugging mouth once in a while... don't your hands/wrists get tired from all that damned typing?  Shane, no matter how much you squeak about the  persecution you are receiving, you'll never get much sympathy while you are so regularly passing out abuse on channel one.  Get a fuggin clue.

[Shane]

Originally posted by Steve
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i generally just say "lol ganger dweebs." then 3 or 4 ankle humpers take the opportunity to jump on me on ch1 with insults of their own... so i just poke back at them...

why don't you /.join me one nite so you can see how my "poor SA" lands me in situations.  that should shut up your "lecturing."

i still take the stance that it's pathetic to be the 4th 5th 6th or even 3rd to jump in on 1 when that 1 is already pretty busy with 2....  it's an insult to the 1 or 2 already engaged with that 1. sort of like they don't have confidence in their teamie's ability to deal with 1.

this isn't about furballs or base taking ops... i'm often off the main route... i don't say a word when i dive into furballs and get whacked or if i dive into a base being horded and die.

use /.join....  just an hr or 2 and you'll see.

and it's really funny listening to *you* lecture me about ch1. it's interesting how people seem to focus only on *my* ch1 talk, conveniently ignoring what other's are saying to *me* on ch1, which is more often than not, some truly personal insult.

and no, you don't see me being a habitual ganger, i often fly past a 2 or more on 1 in progress...  nor do you see me much inside of hordes of rooks, or in big furballs. hell, i don't even fly with a wingman.

again use /.join one nite... then you'll see for yourself.

[Bodhi]

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What was the purpose in berating Steve??? Does it make you feel better sitting behind your monitor?  He only offered advice...

Shane, you obviously have missed the boat on your whole intake of this thread...  Yes there are sometimes some inconsistencies in being muted, but, it is better to have a few uneven mutings than to allow those,  like yourself ,who continue to berate others with vulgar, snide and/or arrogant and derogatory comments on the radio.  Now I know you are just twisting in your little chair, but listen up, your parents paying $14.95 a month does not give you a right to treat everyone and everything you disagree with like crap.  My simple advice to you is this, listen to some others advice once in awhile.... You might just find out that being a decent person is fun too...  

The rest of us just hope you eventually see the light...

[MrLars]

Originally posted by Bodhi
to allow those,  like yourself ,who continue to berate others with vulgar, snide and/or arrogant and derogatory comments on the radio.  

I have *never* heard a vulgar word initiated outa Shanes keyboard, snide and arrogant remarks are the trademark of alot of players here, it's called smack and it has been in MMOG Flt Games since they started.

What Shane HAS done is draw attention to himself and that has earned him  'special attention' from the moderators. Right or wrong that is the case.

His example above shows that it realy doesn't matter so much WHAT you say as much as WHO it is saying it. Being muted just for calling someone a Dweeb is nothing more than an indicator of who NOT to give moderating powers to.


YMMV as always.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by MrLars
I have *never* heard a vulgar word initiated outa Shanes keyboard,

Mr.Lars... not to be rude... but I hate to see what your definition of vulgar is.  He has on a multitude of occasions used vulgar comments for other players and / or other things.

And as for the derogatory talk being a part of online Flight Sims... it has only gotten worse over the past few years.  As the prices on computers and cost to play comes down, more and more adolescents are allowed to play.  As is often the case, without supervision, they quickly treat the game and the boards like a school yard.  Unfortunately, it is not just limited to kids, but it is present amongst the adults as well, but too a much lessor extent it seems.  

I do agree, that yes, moderators should be unbiased, and if they are not, it needs to be addressed.  But, if certain people have earned their "special attention" for their actions, then, by all means, I support muting them before they get out of hand as they prove they so often do.  Maybe if these "special attention cases" were to clean up their act, they might find they would not be so often muted and the target of negative attention.

Just a suggestion as always.

[Steve]

Poor poor Shane. Dude, I've flow with you, watched you pick on occasion just like anyone else. And yes, I've seen people gang on you in the text buffer. Why don't you, for just one second consider why they would do this.  Ok, unwilliing to consider something other than they like it?  Let me spell it out for you:  You run your mouth so much, in such an abusive manner that people get sick of hearing it so they toss insults at you. I understnad about skipping over a bogie w/ 2 already on him. I do the same thing.. probably same as you.. watch tthe fight for a sec, make sure bogie doesn't have help coming, or that he doesn't have a gross advantage, then move on.  Until you quit running your mouth on ch1 in the abusive manner you do, you're going to be scrutinized more frequently by the moderators and you know what?  YOU DESERVE IT.

Shane, I enjoy having you as a teammate; like having you in the area. You generally make intelligent decisions and help when you can.  I'm not baggin on your skills or team play.  What I am saying is simple: the gangings you receive are your fault for choosing to  be where you are when you get jumped...no matter how many jump in.  Same as the trouble you have on ch1, you bring it on yourself.  Nobody's fault but your own.
The moderators didn't have a pajama party and pull your name out of a hat to decide who they will watch more closely than others... take some responsiblity for your actions.... you have brought this on yourself...change your ways or get used to it..other than quitting the game, what choice do you have?

[Thrawn]

Toad, Thou doth protest to much.

I bet a gazillion dollars that you're a mod.  

[MrLars]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Mr.Lars... not to be rude... but I hate to see what your definition of vulgar is.  He has on a multitude of occasions used vulgar comments for other players and / or other things.

Like I said, I have *never* read Shane use words that I think are vulgar. That includes masked profanity. That doesn't meen that he doesn't do it but rather that I haven't seen it.

And as for the derogatory talk being a part of online Flight Sims... it has only gotten worse over the past few years.  As the prices on computers and cost to play comes down, more and more adolescents are allowed to play.  As is often the case, without supervision, they quickly treat the game and the boards like a school yard.  Unfortunately, it is not just limited to kids, but it is present amongst the adults as well, but too a much lessor extent it seems. ][/QUOTE]

If you think that AcesHigh has reached some uncharted ground in regards to smack talk then you haven't been in this type of game for very long. Granted, the content of the 'smack' has degraded a lot but the likes of Shane are old school smack talkers, ones who use it to get their foe to either reengage or to announce to the arena that those 3 gangers are no skill dweebs and that they are now dead dweebs. There is absolutly nothing wrong with that IMO.

][/QUOTE] I do agree, that yes, moderators should be unbiased, and if they are not, it needs to be addressed.  But, if certain people have earned their "special attention" for their actions, then, by all means, I support muting them before they get out of hand as they prove they so often do.  Maybe if these "special attention cases" were to clean up their act, they might find they would not be so often muted and the target of negative attention.

Just a suggestion as always. [/QUOTE]

So, it's the squeeky wheel theory eh? Well, if the moderators  single out someone like Shane and they feel fit to mute him for calling someone a dweeb then the system is already broken. Allowing a moderator to mute someone for something that others say on a regular basis will only foster more critisism of the moderator system.

Do I 'like' Shanes antics? No, but I respect his right to talk smack since others have the same right in AH....until HTC says differently.

This moderator thing is something that has caused ill will in the past at other games and is something that ABSOLUTLY has to be unbiased for people to accept it in the proper way.

< edit > sorry, obviously I haven't learned how to quote properly.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

I mute channel 1. Many that participate on that channel could use an english class or two, and a dictionary.

Surely you can come up with something better than facestudmuffin?

That's why you'll always been an easymode dweeb tho Shane... cuz your insults suck more wang than you do.
-SW

[Aub]

It's scary anymore to see most threads on the BB turn into 'Bash Shane' threads. You accuse him of 'constantly badgering others with vulgar and the like', while the majority of Aces High does it?

I call roadkill. Shane has no *CLUE* what is said about him when he's not even on. I've watched channel 1 some days turn into 'This is why Shane sucks' when he isn't even there to defend himself. No one is doubting Shane likes to talk smack. Does it disturb Aces High? No. Does it PERSONALLY offend anyone? No. Does he ever resort to personal attacks? No.

It is DAMN hypocritical of all of you to sit here and say what is wrong with Shane, when you say *NOTHING* about the ones that do it in return to him. Saying its 'ok' for someone to talk about Shane's mother just because 'Shane deserves' it is wrong on so many levels.

Maybe there is something wrong with Shane's antics. I'm not the one to judge. BUT NEITHER ARE ANY OF YOU. The MOMENT you step down and resort to calling him names also, you become him.

[Grizzly]

Shane is my friend and a hell of a nice person. Most of his nonsense is simply humor that many here just can't appreciate. His babble is entertaining and much less severe than many of those who criticize him. Most of you should be in Ripley's Believe It Or Not for the number of ways you've invented to say diddly without getting muted. If you can't appreciate his humor, squelch him... your constant complaints about Shane are more of an arena pollutant than anything he's ever said.

[Steve]

Actually, it offends a lot of people, and they say so, I don't know what game you're playing... but he pisses off a lot of people in AH.
does he resort to personal attacks?  yes quite often actually. Does he start it, YES  For example:  the "facestudmuffin" incident he mentioned. You can call "roadkill"  all you like but it doesn't change my perspective that Shane is frequently abusive.. tonight he was his usual self, insulting MAW's as a whole squad..
You attribute it to smack talking... at the level Shane does it, it's abuse.  Does everyone talk smack?  no... but a lot of people do, including me.  Shane frequently crosses the line in the opinion of many.  Ch 1 turns into "this is why Shane sucks" because shane runs his mouth so much.  Do you think there is some secret committee that decides who they pick on, on Ch1? Shane gets abused because he abuses others.  You reap what you sow.

Don't twist my words Aub... that's weak.  I didn't say shane deserves abuse about his mother or any kind of abuse for that matter... I don't appreciate you misrepresenting what I said.  I said Shane deserves the scrutiny he gets from the moderators.. that's all I said about "deserves it"

As I've said previously in this thread,  I think the moderators often apply their authority without an even hand.  However, Shane gets muted and warned more because he is a repeat and frequent offender.  I sometimes cross the line myself while smacking and get muted.  I accept responsibilty for my actions, take my medicine.

Aub, you have mistakenly assumed I am anti-Shane.  Hey, the guys good to fly with, and you've never heard me on ch1 bashing the dude.  He gets his abuse because he deals it out.  As I stated, he needs to either get used to it, stop doing it himself so he doesn't receive it in kind, or quit the game.  What he should definitely do is quit whining about it... he's abusive... gets muted for it, and DESERVES IT.

[Aub]

Steve, I wasn't necessarily directing this at you. Maybe one or two things (which If I did, I can't remember now)

It's more of a general message. Many people do it, not just a few.

And I'm with Grizzly, what Shane does is in jest, and he just loves to see many hop with anticipation sometimes to bite.

[Steve]

Ok, bro..

This is uglier than I had intended...I myself have no direct issue w/ shane so I'm gonna stfu now and let those who do speak for themselves if they so desire.