Author Topic: Kill stealers (Read 1259 times)

GPreddy · « **on:** December 12, 2002, 12:16:20 AM »

This used to be a rare event but its now on the rise. This has happened to me seven times in the last week. Im chasing a guy and clearly have his six when someone takesoff and flies directly at the con for an ho kill. In this shot I had to stop firing because I would have killed myself and I have. The bishop coming at me and the con is in a 190 and theres no way even a p38 can match that for ho. I wonder if he gets all his kills this way.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #1 on:** December 12, 2002, 12:21:13 AM »

Next time don't be so slow in shooting something down. Just because someone beat you to a kill isn't kill stealing. It would have been a stolen kill if the enemy plane was already going down and the friendly plane pinged it in the hopes of getting credit for said kill.

ack-ack

Innominate · « **Reply #2 on:** December 12, 2002, 12:48:16 AM »

The most important thing in the MA, beyond ACM, gunnery, even SA, is the quick-kill. Getting the kill as quickly as possible is most important, even if it puts you into a situation where you'll die a few seconds later. It's why HOing is such a great option.

For those of us who are content to win our fights, rather than just happen to end up with a gunshot, it becomes annoying. It's just the way the arena works. Deal with it.

Pepe · « **Reply #3 on:** December 12, 2002, 02:11:39 AM »

Ruuuuuuudeeee.....

wulfie · « **Reply #4 on:** December 12, 2002, 02:39:14 AM »

The guy is being HOd by a diving Bf 109 as he takes off in a Fw 190.

Tactically it's not a bad move - a snap shot with 4 x MG 151/20 + 2 x MG 131 at 800-1000 followed by a violent evasive - vs. a liquid cooled opponent's face who's probably packing 1 high velocity cannon and 2 MG 131s or 1 low velocity cannon and 2 MG 131s.

In my book the crazy guy is the Bf 109. Who in their right mind goes face to face with 4 cannons at any range when your engine is liquid cooled?

You are 500+ from the target. If that Bf 109 performs a super high G turn to drop back on that Fw 190 there's no gurantee you are going to kill him before he gets a shot at the Fw 190. If you go for the vertical move and dive back on the Bf 109 you're allowing him separation and more time on the Fw 190 before you are back into guns range. If you yank into a high G turn to follow directly you're both going to be at the edge of blackout.

Kill stealing sucks, but this isn't kill stealing in my book. Kill stealing for me is when I have killed (as in an entire wing gone, entire tail gone, engine destroyed so he's a glider and therefore an auto kill waiting to be finished off by me - the person who shot his engine out) an aircraft and before it hits the ground or before the pilot bails someone else who knows that the aircraft is dead for certain jumps in to shoot it up.

Mike/wulfie

GPreddy · « **Reply #5 on:** December 12, 2002, 03:27:22 AM »

Look again. right below the 109 is his tail which I knocked off. The 190 steals a dead bird.

bigsky · « **Reply #6 on:** December 12, 2002, 03:34:35 AM »

kill stealers .... ye reap what ye sow. kinda funny you squeaking about that voss. but...........

mipoikel · « **Reply #7 on:** December 12, 2002, 03:58:20 AM »

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Originally posted by GPreddy
Look again. right below the 109 is his tail which I knocked off. The 190 steals a dead bird.

Are u sure 190 knows that 109 is allready killed? Sometimes you cant see if there is damage in enemyplane. All killsteals are not steals I think.

wulfie · « **Reply #8 on:** December 12, 2002, 06:42:33 AM »

Well assuming the Fw 190 saw that tail flying off, I stand corrected. I didn't see the tail coming off.

Mike/wulfie

Turbot · « **Reply #9 on:** December 12, 2002, 07:04:21 AM »

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Originally posted by mipoikel
Are u sure 190 knows that 109 is allready killed? Sometimes you cant see if there is damage in enemyplane. All killsteals are not steals I think.

Yeah you can --- well unless your graphics are REALLY REALY Bad.

SirLoin · « **Reply #10 on:** December 12, 2002, 08:34:50 AM »

...Rude?

Rude · « **Reply #11 on:** December 12, 2002, 08:50:23 AM »

C'mon GP.....all of these years in this biz, I wouldn't expect you to ask for a tissue.

batdog · « **Reply #12 on:** December 12, 2002, 08:58:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Next time don't be so slow in shooting something down. Just because someone beat you to a kill isn't kill stealing. It would have been a stolen kill if the enemy plane was already going down and the friendly plane pinged it in the hopes of getting credit for said kill.

ack-ack

Howdy Ack-Ack.

No.... I really dont agree w/this. I've been in tight 1 on 1's where I'm in a plane say a KI vrs a spit. It take me some time to get into a 6 firing postion. I am about to close the deal and....in swoops some indiv in a La7/Niki/51 whatever. THIS might not BE kill stealing...but it SURE IS DAMN ANNOYING.

If I see 2 guys swirling on the deck..I'll ask if our side needs help. At worst I'll swoop in and distract.

Living off somebody elses work is true dweebry.

Now..if your in a furball w/15 guys swirling around you... I can see it happening. Its still damn annoying though.

xBAT

Pepe · « **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2002, 09:08:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Rude
C'mon GP.....all of these years in this biz, I wouldn't expect you to ask for a tissue.

ROFL!

AKSnake · « **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2002, 09:26:27 AM »

I can't see where anyone, if they were the 190 pilot, could see the tail falling off the 109 at that angle. He had just taken off, and given the range to the field, he saw the icon, knew he was low and slow, did the only thing he could do, he turned HO and defended himself. I have done the same thing many times, especially at a vulched field. You take off and if a con is nearby and you don't have time to turn and gain alt, you go for it.
IMHO:D
AKSnake