F4U-1C PERKED!

[VFJACKAL]

Once again....WHAAAA WHAAAAA WHAAAA...30.00 a month and a bunch a whiney sissies bit** about something they don't like.

 Hell...It's yalls sand and yalls Shovel..Guess what ever you Higher Ups in the game.."The Better" Pilots know best for the rest of us.

 Thanks for sharing all your infinate wisdom ole Kings of the Virtual Skies and allowing us 9The Lowest of life forms "dweebs") the priveledge of just being in the same air space as you. Thank you for taking one of the planes that the newer guys liked away and sending them back to the lower depths that you seem to want all the newbies to stay at. Thank you for just letting us in the game to pay homage to your stats by allowing you to shoot us down repeatdly while telling us how we suck and should go someplace else...

 I feel I owe you more...How bout 100.00 a month for the bellybutton kicking I take at your hands and the hands of 5 or 6 at a time yet not being allowed to fly something I rarely flew anyway but now have to pay for from my 300 Perks...

Ya bunch a cry babies...Grown men..

 CANT STAND THE HEAT...STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN.

[Karnak]

AKDejaVu,

My joke went completely over your head, didn't it?

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-Karnak

[Jebo44]

Ahhh hell with it again


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[AKDejaVu]

 

My joke went completely over your head, didn't it?

No, it didn't.

It just wasn't funny... and it doesn't work well AFTER you post the stats (twice now) as if they are already meaningful.

AKDejaVu

[Wingnut_0]

I'll repeat my stand......

Why have a perk system if you don't use the dam thing.  

Should we unperk the Arado so every base can be bombed by 5 or 6 arado's going to fast that you never have a chance to catch them?  

Should we all fly the tempest?  A room full of 262's if or when it's introduced?

I fly a 190A5....if the 190A doubled it's kills over the next AC I'd expect it to get perked.  Likewise for anything else i fly.  

Personally I came here cause at that time.. 1.03 it was the closest to a simulation as any game out there....even in an MA environment.  The more gamey it turns...the more I wanna leave, for that's not the reason I came here.  I could of kept that where I was.   The Perk system is a great way to balance an arena without "tweaking" AC...without rolling the planeset..without removing a plane.  All the things OTHER games have tried and those things caused problems.  With the perk system....it's not permanent......it's flexible.

The dominant plane?  FA had the Spit 14...WB had what the 190D9 and another?   AWIII I'm sure there was a dominant there.  Was that ever addressed?  Was it addressed in a fair manner?  usually not from what i've seen.

Will something take it's place?  It's always possible but for what the F4UC was used for there's nothing that has the complete package so I think for the most part things will split up.  If A G10 becomes a big factor...perk it.....Niki...perk it....

Either way, it's the best solution to a problem that's plagued flight games for years that I've seen.


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[Jebo44]

My only thing is 30 dollars a month is alot to pay and then be restricted on what you can use in the game.

Seems to me that HT should have perked like the top 3 or 5 planes at the same time. Then alot of the drama might be removed, who knows lets just play the game

[Steven]

Again, I'm new here but my point was I understand the reasoning behind the perk system which is an effort to prevent the sky from being filled with one type of aircraft.  I still think it's ironic that those who fly and score the best are the ones rewarded with the better performing aircraft.  I am new here, and I bite.  On top of that, there is the fact I'm trying to get used to the sim itself such as views and things...one handicap (I think) is that my joystick coolie hat only does the forward, back, left and right and not the 45 degree angles and I only have four buttons and no throttle.  Tonight, I flew my mustang a majority of the time and I think tried a BF109G10 and a Spit once but overall I was in my 51B/D and got my butt handed to me over and over and over again by Tempest/Typhoons (I get them mixed up) and Spits.  Heck, in the 51B I'm fighting with two guns behind my back!  So this teaches the newbie how to fly and fight?  Taught me how to take-off from bases a lot is what it taught me.  I can't even really find any good information how to fight one type vs another and so I'm really at a loss right now and it's a cliff of an uphill climb for me.  
I take it I'll learn really well if I take a Brewster Buffalo and the veterans take an ME262 against me or even an F-22 or something.  

I'm not buying this notion that flying lesser performing aircraft against veteran pilots in superior performing aircraft teaches "proper" combat flying more than the other way around.  As for perks to try to prevent an overwhelming number of one type of aircraft...I understand the reasoning and still think it's ironic. I have no answers to that.  However, I doubt it was newbies who were overwhelming the game with Chogs.

-Steven


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[Staga]

Hmm...

Allied perk-planes:
Tempest______70 points
F4U-1C ______8 points

Axis perk-planes:
FW Ta-152____50 points
Arado 234____70 points

Maybe we're going to have a Allied plane with 50 points and Axis with 8 points in next UpDate  

[Edbert MOL]

 

You can still up in a DHog and take yourself 8 rockets and 2 eggs from a CV. Last time I checked, that could cause some damage to a field!  You just can't pepper the hangars with Hispanos anymore. Oh well, go land on the CV and reload your ordinance with the DHog.

Have fun strafing the osties with those .50s, and I doubt we'll see streaks of 15-18 from the D-hog vulchers. The only cannon armed CV craft now are the Seafire/Zeke/PT.

[Jochen]

 

Have fun strafing the osties with those .50s, and I doubt we'll see streaks of 15-18 from the D-hog vulchers.

Strafing Osties should not be fun in any plane, no matter what guns.

 

The only cannon armed CV craft now are the Seafire/Zeke/PT.

roadkille I say. Check CV hangar, F4U-1C is still there and available.

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Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87D, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

Sieg oder bolschevismus!

[Edbert MOL]

 

roadkille I say. Check CV hangar, F4U-1C is still there and available.

I stand corrected, sorry to have offended you so with my omission of the word "unperked".

[hazed-]

just a mute point:

year or so ago i started online with my 56k and joined AH.Flew evrything in the hope of killing something.improved with time and found a few favourite rides.Aircraft were added and i tried them out.Started to really learn about energy management.Got a renewed interest in flying.Bought ADSL.Bought many books about planes i never knew were in the war let alone read about.Eventually i had my favourite ride not necessrily the one i lived longest in but the ones i really like.
I have been killed 1000's of times and it did not put me off so why should it put off newbies now?
Cit used to kill me when i got here in beta under an old name and me and my friend(schoolbud) used to wish for the day we could get him back.He used to run up 10 kill sorties on us.The way people are talking at the moment they will have you believe if we limit the planes the newbies will leave.
ABSOLUTE roadkill.
Cit and many others used to kill us in everything they flew.The pilot made the difference not the plane.if its 400 off your 6 and you havent seen it it doesnt matter too much what it is, youre dead.
Whilst i understand people not enjoying getting killed all the time its part of the game.Honestly people if you dont like bad odds YOU IN D WRONG GAME      
perking the chog is to reduce its numbers and is a test.All those that claim the whiners got their way are doing the same thing trying to get it back.abuse name calling etc etc.
Why dont you all try it.
So far for me ive seen loads more variety already.i had hat i think is my first 109f4 fight in absolutely ages      
just a few of my stats to show you why i feel a few less f4ucs would make my time online more enjoyable:

tour/times killed by f4c/next best killers/sample of other types


16/ f4c killed me 1 / niki killed me 6 /109f4 1        
15/ f4c killed me 38/ spit killed me 34/niki 20
14/ f4c killed me 21/ niki killed me 25/fw190d9 13 (fw190d9 introduced!)
13/ f4c killed me 19/ niki killed me 14/p47-d30 6
12/ f4c killed me 41/ p51d killed me 23/F6f 17 (f6f introduced!)
11/ f4c killed me 42/ spit killed me 17/niki 9
10/ f4c killed me 27/ spit killed me 29/p47d30 4
9 / f4c killed me 51/ spit killed me 54/109g10 25
8 / f4c killed me 19/ p51d killed me 9 /typhoon 1

basically im likely to fight 1 of 3 or 4 types everytime i fly.If there is someway to add variety ill take it.      
oh and by the way after the next best killer the numbers usually drop even more.Admittedly the niki and spit have been more numerous in some tours but i do try to avoid fighting f4cs generally unless unavoidable like cv battles.
maybe the perk thig will work maybe it wont but who knows?
If you have played with a perk system and KNOW it wont work then sit back and look smug for a bit eh? Let US(the whole community) decide what works and what doesnt.
Who do these people who claim to know everything that is best for AH think they are?

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[Steven]

How do you guys pull up them stats?  I looked in the roster and couldn't figure it out.  I'd like to see what I've been flying and what types have been killing me.  

I've never heard of competitions where you handicap the less-able.  <g>  I personally don't care if the Chog is perked or not.  I think I flew it once (and at the time had no idea it was such a monster.)  I still think it ironic how the perk system is set up.  Maybe you should have to fly the worst planes to gain points to fly the better ones.  eh?  Put your dues in.  But I'm sure that would upset some of the veterans who are used to one or two high performing aircraft to tally up some incredible kill scores.  But that's generally how a handicap works and it would limit seeing the same types over and over again even more than I think this perk system as-is does.  And it's the pilot in *conjunction* with the plane working as a team, man and machine, that makes for a mean killing machine.  Hey, can anyone put some rap music to that?

-Steven
psst, if people don't mind dying here (you vets), why don't I see more P-51Bs and lesser aircraft?  And let's get some Wildcats, Warhawks and other early war aircraft in here for you all to die in!   :-)

[Torgo]

 

Originally posted by Steven:

I still think it ironic how the perk system is set up.  Maybe you should have to fly the worst planes to gain points to fly the better ones.  eh?  Put your dues in.

[/b]

Huh? That's pretty much how the CURRENT system works. It's very hard to rack up perks flying popular aircraft.

But I'm sure that would upset some of the veterans who are used to one or two high performing aircraft to tally up some incredible kill scores. :-)[/b]

You're confusing perk points and score. They're TOTALLY TOTALLY separate.




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[Steven]

I think you are right and now have to rethink.  AGain, I am new and recently saw how you earn perk points but forgot where.  It appears as though it's based on more gained when a lower-performing aircraft is victorious over a higher performing aircraft and less or none are gained when flying a superior aircraft victorious over a lesser.  Interesting.  I also found where to find the stats too.  I have 30 deaths and 11 victories but I'm sure I was shot down a lot more than 30 times.  Does "deaths" mean how many times I was actually killed or does it mean any time I am shot down whether I parachute and survive?

-Steven