Largest patch ever?

[Karnak]

sling322,

It has been made pretty clear to me that the CMs were the guys who pushed for the B5N.  Nobody else was set on pushing a biased setup.  Because of the stuff I've heard I have to conlude that the CMs put what preasure they could on HTC.

They wanted the B5N, they got the B5N.

Now they'll get fewer Japanese participants in their setups and the USN guys get to enjoy their Turkey Shoots.

Its the CMs who'll have to deal with the fact that they've shot their setups in the foot with this.

And the poll was for the SBD and D3A, the B5N wasn't on it.

HTC messed up in the versions of the D3A and SBD they added, true, but the poll wasn't that fine. They should have added the SBD-2 and D3A1 or the SBD-5 and D3A2.  Instead they added the SBD-5 and D3A1, putting the Japanese at a further disadvantage.

Speaking from the point of view of somebody in a Japanese squad, I'm tired of the Japanese aircraft being added to make it harder on us.  We already are fighting two to one odds, making us do so with 1937 equippment against the USN boys 1943 equippment is roadkill.

[sling322]

Oh I see....now we not only have an anti-LW conspiracy, but an anti-Japanese one as well.  

Damn, you caught us....HTC modelled these particular aircraft just to piss off and alienate a certain group of customers.  We were just hoping that nobody would catch on until we had time to convince HTC to re-name the game Allies High.  

I dont know where everybody gets the idea that the CM team has that much say in any decision that HTC makes.  Maybe you should do a tour on the team and see exactly how things work.  You would be surprised by how little influence we actually have on any decisions....other than adding new features to the setup tools and what-not.

[Karnak]

Its not a conspiracy, just poorly considered.

[brady]

I beleave all the input the CM's have consists of a list of planes they would like to see added, and it was unsolisited by HTC they simply made one and sent it to him, kinda like the ones we make on the BBS all the time which HTC reads I am shure, while initialy I felt the same way as you karnak about the presuposed influance they had and it was nice to be able to point the finger at them and say well u dumd dums what the F were you thinking I realy don't at this time feal they have much more to with it than we do.

 I alos at this time feal that 90% of the AH comunity is prety cluless when it comes to the finner points that such distinction mean, while it may be a sore point for you or me it is beyond a lot of people, not becuase when presented with the fact they cant see it for what it is, but because it would never even occure to them to ask or think about it.

 Take the B17 in the Midwayset up. Ya they had B 17's in Midway, they had like 4 to 6 fewer 50cal machine guns on them were slower and less well armed but what the heck who cares.  

 After this update, I now realise that I must wait till the next update to hope to get some more planes to actualy help in creating well balanced CT set up's, that is at least 4 to 6 months away thats 24 Ct set up's using the same plane set I have had prety much since last Summer or over 50 set up's with the same planes.

 It will still be fun but the old headachs will presist, we will have some great new maps and all is not lost>

[lazs2]

wotan... Icouldn't check his scores if I tried... he has used a lot of handles and none of em are sachs.. I recall the first one and now he is ag44 or something..  I have fought him only a few times... not really fought.. just caught him when he couldn't run away.  When I see him he is at full bore and runnin.   I have had my differences with him in the past.   He flys LW planes the way they should be flown but..... I don't like LW planes and don't like to fight em.   I don't know if he ever threatened to quit burt he has quit and come back as different handles.   so far... I haven't liked any of his personnas.  

as for his whine.. My comments stand.. he has it backwards.. the 163 will get used and the turd stuka and jap plane won't.  The patch is fine.. not much there for me but I am fine with that.
lazs

[Skuzzy]

It is quite allright for any member of this community to express how they feel about any of the work we put forth.  Of course, I would always prefer it to be constructive in its manner as anything else really does not help anyone.

I am a bit suprised in some aspects of some of these posts.  It seems many have simply forgotten what all has transpired since 1.10 was released.

We changed ISP's.  Not something that was taken lightly and required an enormous amount of work.
We installed all new servers, with new operating systems.  Again, big risks take a lot of time to ensure they are good risks.

As of 1.11, everything from the client software to the server has changed, inclusively.

Note, I am not defending our work, but there has been a lot going on that seems to have been forgotten.  Anyone notice a lot less complaining about the downloads?

MOre than anything else, the quality of service was improved.  While being a bit intangible, it is real.

[Wotan]

And for Wotan....I was just expressing my opinion of Sachs.....he is a moron. IMO of course.

Yeah thats my point you get personal over someone not being thrilled with a game patch. That tells more about you then him.

Laz AGs name is his post there, been that way for 2 years or so.

Skuzzy

I dunno ags post wasnt so bad, we have heard plenty worse. Even from the guys defending ht in this thread. Call a guy a "moron" on ch 1 ya get squelched.

[Turbot]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Anyone notice a lot less complaining about the downloads?

Yes download went very much faster than I had ever anticipated.  Last patch I think I was a day getting this one took 20 minutes.  Sorry meant to mention that, but forgot.   My bad.

[Rude]

MOre than anything else, the quality of service was improved. While being a bit intangible, it is real.

and that would be because they hired YOU????

[culero]

Originally posted by Karnak
banana,

Why did the CMs want the Kate?

That still makes no sense to me.  With the aircraft we have it is impossible to do an early war Pacific senario without giving the US a non-historical advantage.  

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The US has:

A better fighter: F4F-4 vs. A6M2
A better torpedo bomber: TBM-3 vs. B5N2
A better dive bomber: SBD-5 vs. D3A1
A better torpedo: USN, 1944 type vs. crappy German airial torp
More players: More players always fly for the US than for Japan.

snip

As it stands now the B5N2 is useless in the MA, it is useless in the CT and it is useless in scenario events.

Beg to differ a bit, sir. Not that you don't have some good points (I agree you do) but I believe you're too extreme in your conclusion. While there are some balance problems inherent in the as-yet limited planeset, IMO its *FAR* from "useless", and an early war scenario is *FAR* from impossible.

A few counter-points:

Agreed F4F-4 vs A6M2 isn't the correct matchup. But, until we get an F4F-3, IMO its not a bad thing to simply substitute the A6M5 for the A6M2, and we have a better balance. Not exactly historic, but still immersive enough, and better than nothing. (And I'd actually rather see an early P39 or P400 added before the F4F-3.)

Agreed Devastator is more accurate than TBM for the early stuff, and that TBM is a superior plane to Kate. But, OTOH, the torp planes don't actually interact directly like the fighters, so its feasible in scenario design to include balancing factors such as fudging the Kate numbers slightly higher and TBM numbers slightly lower, delaying launch times, creating points differentials, etc. Again, a little imagination is required, but immersion is nonetheless possible.

Repeat the last para re: SBD vs Val.

The torpedo thing is IMO your most valid beef. If you're right (I'm kinda new to AH, not completely up to speed on game specs) about IJN planes using a German torpedo, then I'd agree its pretty damned important that HTC fix this situation - either by modeling the correct torpedo, or by allowing CMs to assign the same torp to both sides' planes.

OTOH, for the purposes of a scenario, as I pointed out above its possible to hedge the rules to help balance things, and this could be applied to the torpedo situation in the meantime.

Lastly, the point about people preferring to fly US is absolutely true, my experience from AW scenarios confirms it. However, its very easy to control how many people fly which side. If the scenario design has less slots for US and more for Japan, then your complaint becomes irrelevant.

I do thank you for thinking in detail about scenario-related issues, and the thoughtful discussion. The arena is only a place to practice for scenario play, after all!

~S~

culero (scenario addict)

[Hangtime]

*sigh*

whelp... if nothin else, readin this made my lunch pass quickly.

....and I can use the printout as hugahunk.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Hangtime
....and I can use the printout as hugahunk.

Careful, printer paper leaves nasty paper cuts...
-SW

[Hangtime]

...sheesh. so, NOW yah tell me.

ow.

[guttboy]

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Good discussions!

[Wanker]

I don't blame Pyro for adding the B5N2, but I do blame the CMs for it.

Karnak, as usual of late, you base your opinions on assumptions that have no basis in reality. For the record, the CM's asked for both the B5N and the B6N. Pyro gave us the B5N. I guess you could look at the glass as being half-full or half-empty. We got only a fraction of what we requested, but at least we got something.

I just resigned from the CM corps after spending the past two years trying two grow AH special events from nothing to what it is now. In that time, I sacrificed my MA and CT flying time so that I could help develop the special events.

I've done my bit for the community, now how about you? Why don't you get off that soapbox of yours, knock that chip off your shoulder, and spend the next two years trying to do something positive for the community? It's time to put up or shut up, Karnak.

You have good ideas and you shown the ability to argue rationally and logically. Now, are you also capable of walking the walk? If so, contact Daddog and tell him you'd like my spot on the scenario team.