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Offline Curval

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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2002, 09:06:34 AM »


Toad..that is an awful lot of money for a Steward to make  ;)

...and by the way, this pencil pusher is looking to buy the wife a new watch this Christmas...and I need to hit you up for a loan.



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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2002, 09:17:47 AM »
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We did! :p


Phew, for a second I wasnt going to believe your story....
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2002, 09:17:54 AM »
Curval, the stewards get MORE! :D

But the baggage handlers top even the stewards!!!!

In fact, I think CEO's like Wolf...... who only took about an $18 million dollar bonus or something a few years back..... are the lowest paid airline employees of all.


Aviation Employment Salaries Index  
Top Airline CEO Salaries - 2000
 
Carrier Name & Title of Executive Salary Bonus Total Direct Compensation

AirTran Joseph B. Leonard
Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer $350,000 $525,000 $875,000

Alaska John F. Kelly
Chairman & CEO (Alaska Air Group) $518,269 $0 $518,269

America West William A. Franke
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Holdings; Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of AWA; Chairman of TLC $600,000 $0 $600,000

American Donald J. Carty
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer of the Corporation and American $772,500 $1,351,875 $2,124,375

Atlantic Coast Airlines *UA Kerry B. Skeen
Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer $403,462 $59,949 $463,411

Continental Gordon M. Bethune
Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer $966,879 $2,145,540 $3,112,419

Delta LEO F. MULLIN
Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer $745,833 $1,400,000 $2,145,833

Frontier Samuel D. Addoms
Chief Executive Officer $172,508 $87,415 $259,923

Hawaiian John W. Adams
Chairman of the Board $200,000 $0 $200,000

Midway Robert R. Ferguson
Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer $275,000 $0 $275,000

Midwest Timothy E. Hoeksema
Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer $355,000 $25,803 $380,803

Northwest Richard H. Anderson
CEO, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer $481,630 $517,500 $999,130

Southwest Herbert D. Kelleher
Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer $447,708 $172,000 $619,708

 William F. Compton (1999 salary) President and Chief Executive Officer $428,341 $0 $428,341

United James E. Goodwin
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer $843,528 $225,000 $1,068,528

Vanguard Robert J. Spane
Former Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President $226,923 $0 $226,923

US Airways Rakesh Gangwal (1999 salary) President and Chief Executive Officer $675,000 $675,000 $1,350,000

Imagine that... Kelleher of Southwest taking less than the guys running the majors into the ground...who'd a thunk it?

Of course, CEO's are the lowest paid of all employees, as I said.
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2002, 09:21:21 AM »
What do overblown CEO salaries have to do with overblown pilot salaries?
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2002, 09:25:26 AM »
This is the best though (and it's just typical of the whole industry).

US Air's leaders "Leading by Example". Showing the employees how to "save" an airline that they have led into BANKRUPTCY.

US Airways executives' fat exit strategy irks rank-and-file

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...There is more grist for the mill in a new Securities and Exchange Commission filing. It shows that Wolf, Gangwal and general counsel Lawrence Nagin have the right to resign this fall with severance packages totaling roughly $45 million....

..As a result, the three executives will have 30 days from Oct. 12 to consider whether to quit and accept the severances, which include three years' worth of salaries and bonuses as well as accelerated retirement benefits totaling about $16 million for Wolf, $21 million for Gangwal and $8 million for Nagin...

Wolf, 60, last year received a salary of $600,000 with no bonus. He also was awarded other annual compensation of $7.69 million, primarily to cover tax liabilities associated with stock incentives he received, as well as restricted stock awards valued at $3.1 million.

Gangwal's salary last year was $675,000, also with no bonus. The 48-year-old executive received other annual compensation of $7.47 million and restricted stock awards valued at $3.8 million.

Nagin earned a base salary of $410,000 last year with no bonus. He received other annual compensation totaling $890,529 and restricted stock awards valued at $705,938....


There's leadership in time of "economic belt-tightening" for you. US Air is bloody BANKRUPT and these guys comprise the leadership that got them there.
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2002, 09:36:01 AM »
Toad, I don't know what carrier you fly for but my close friend flies MD-80s for American Airlines.  When he retired from the Guard after years of flying KC-135s, he expected to be hired in an instant by a national carrier.  Well, being 40-something, a smoker and never in a union before, in was in for a lotta learning.  I don't understand where most military guys think they'll be able to walk into a 747 job after years for military flying...I don't recall many examples of that happening.

In my flight training (and I'm pondering returning to school to get the degree and ratings at either Daniel Webster or Embry Riddle), all the pilots who came in to talk to us told us to expect waiter-wages on the worst carriers, in the worst aircraft if we decide to go the airline route.  Lots of time away from home, and overnights in the Cockroach Inn.

Moving along to my friend, he finally has some seniority and is away a lot, home 4 days at a time then gone for 2 weeks again.  I don't think Grun appeciates the amount of time you guys are away, and the nature of the work.  There's a lot of nice things in the cockpit that make life easier in the cockpit...but I don't think you fellas are sitting around monitoring an autopilot setting.  :)

If you guys are making that amount of money, good, you've earned it.
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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2002, 09:38:01 AM »
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What do overblown CEO salaries have to do with overblown pilot salaries?


You're absolutely right. It's the UNIONS that drive airlines into bankruptcy. Unions, unions, unions! Bad, bad, bad! :D

Check and see how much money US Air posted profit/loss in '98, the year Wolf and Gangwal gave themselves about $35 million EACH in bonus money.

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The $34.2 million paid to Stephen Wolf, chairman of US Airways Group, and the $36 million paid to Rakesh Gangwal, chief executive officer, came despite a 17 percent drop in the value of the company's stock during 1998.



It's the unions! The Unions! THE UNIONS! :p

Oh, and by the way... did you ever notice how folks think anyone that makes more than they do is overpaid? :D
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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2002, 09:39:22 AM »
A flight attendant I know told me of the few times she has gone to the cockpit and found the entire crew asleep !
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2002, 09:41:50 AM »
"Oh, and by the way... did you ever notice how folks think anyone that makes more than they do is overpaid?"

Sure did, some guy even went so far as posting his bosses' salaries on the internet to make that point..
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2002, 09:41:53 AM »
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Oh, and by the way... did you ever notice how folks think anyone that makes more than they do is overpaid? :D [/QUOTE]

Yup, usually folks who belch that are welcomed, arms open, to the Democratic Party.   :p

Its *just not fair* others make more than you.  We'll raise their taxes so after all that, they make the same as you.  We'll put a stop to that, yessirreee!  Who cares how much education or work it took that fella to get to that level of incoming earning.  You're pumping gas and working hard, dammit...you deserve a BMW in the yard and a 4 bedroom house too.

Opps, did I describe Communism?
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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2002, 09:42:14 AM »
Thanks. LePaul. Appreciate the kind words.

But don't sweat guys like Grun. They "know" the "hollywood" or "US media" version of my job right down to the most intimate details. Which makes them unassailable experts. :D

As I said, no matter who you are or what you do, a guy making less than you do figures you're overpaid.

Which brings up that nagging question..... how do all those overpaid guys get those overpaying jobs when I could do it just as well or better? ..... because it's sooooooooo easy.

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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2002, 09:45:30 AM »
"I don't think Grun appeciates the amount of time you guys are away, and the nature of the work. There's a lot of nice things in the cockpit that make life easier in the cockpit...but I don't think you fellas are sitting around monitoring an autopilot setting.  "


No I prolly don't and thats why I asked for some pilot's opinions here, but I only got a dodging answer from Toad, apparently the only current commercial pilot here.
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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2002, 09:47:45 AM »
Threads like this are just great.

Maybe everyone posting could also share their career choice with everyone else so that it could be picked apart and critiqued simply because you were embarrassed in another thread.

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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2002, 09:49:39 AM »
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You're absolutely right. It's the UNIONS that drive airlines into bankruptcy. Unions, unions, unions! Bad, bad, bad! :D

It's the unions! The Unions! THE UNIONS! :p


LOL....I'm staying away from that argument from now on...after the virtual "reaming" you gave me last time.  Geeze...and all I was trying to do was get a rise out of Creamo.  It worked, but I got more of a rise from one of his fanboys.  ;)
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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2002, 09:51:39 AM »
Hollywood? What are you talking about..

I told you exactly where I got my info from a few airline pilots in casual conversation and from seeing the salaries and strikes on yes TV...

Now I see you are trying to say i'm jelous about your job because you earn lots of money. First of all thats incredibly petty of you and second I would sure hope an adult like you would make more money than a college student like me, otherwise you would be some kind of phenomenal looser.

Also I wasnt the one who posted my bosses' high salaries and squeaked about their job perrorrmance, that was you Toad.
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