Root event that created the Universe...

[StSanta]

e=mc2 is a conversion between energy states. There is potential enery bound up in the connections of atoms which is then released.

IIRC

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by NUKE
a. before there was anything, what could have created this energy?

b. roadkill ( no offense to you) That's almost that same as saying magic created the universe (to which I would ask, what created magic)

c. without matter, what caused the heat and energy?

d. I agree


Someone answered that he Big Bang started the expansion of the Universe.
Part of my question was "what caused the Big Bang?", and then, what caused the event that caused the Big Bang, and on and on.  

In other words, the starting point of the Big Bang can never be logically determined, because it would mean looking back on an infinite chain of events.

Just as it is too simple ( asinine) to say that all matter was created "because it could be", it is equally simple to just say the "Big Bang" caused the expansion without asking what caused the Big Bang and, in turn, what caused the event that caused the Big Bang.... and what caused that event....... and so on, forever....

a. E=MC**2...  The equation is valid for 0=0C**2 as well as for  non zero amounts.  Matter and energy were created out of the big bang like borrowing money to buy a house.  You borrow, and can spend, but you owe as much as you have, so you really don't have any money.

b.  Quantum probability doesn't make sense.  Richard Feynman, Nobel winning physist, said that there are probably a few dozen who understand relativity, (1950's) but "Nobody understands Quantum Physics"  He was an expert in the field.  Quantum physics says the universe created itself because it probably could.

[NUKE]

if you do cosmological physics backwards, including special & general relativity, you realize that the universe is infinitley old (the start time is infinitly long ago). the nitwits (steven weinberg, et al) that say the period of time between the big oscar bang & the decoupling of energy & matter was 300000 seconds are talking about seconds in our rest frame. the universe being infinitley old, there is no creator

If the universe is infinitley old, how can there be a start point as you say, " infinitly long ago"..... that is a contradiction.

A start point at any point is a begining, which means something existed or happened before that start point in order to influence or put into motion the start point event. Saying something is infinitly old is the same as saying it always existed.

Maybe the Universe has always existed......maybe the Universe is God... Some things are way beyond man's comprehension IMO.

Some of these theories are no better than simply stateing that God created the Universe.

Good responses to the thread. It's fun (for me) to REALLY think about these things sometimes.

[Curval]

Mankind created the term "infinity"...meaning "for ever".  But, as humans we cannot logically understand this concept...because we are mortal.  For us there is always a beginning and an end.

I agree with you Nuke...we don't know how it happened and we will never know.  I think the human mind cannot understand the "answer" even if it exists.

[midnight Target]

If this is one of those philosophical questions like "can anything ever really be known?", or are you really interested in trying to answer the questions?

You see, the important thing is not the answer but the question. Assuming that you can never know something is stupid and dangerous. This is the only true drawback to organized religion.

There are some very plausible explanations for the Universe... If you're interested look here:

http://www.discover.com/apr_02/featguth.html

[NUKE]

Originally posted by midnight Target
If this is one of those philosophical questions like "can anything ever really be known?", or are you really interested in trying to answer the questions?

You see, the important thing is not the answer but the question. Assuming that you can never know something is stupid and dangerous. This is the only true drawback to organized religion.

There are some very plausible explanations for the Universe... If you're interested look here:

http://www.discover.com/apr_02/featguth.html

Yeah, I'd love to know the answer, but I don't think you or the link can tell me.

I do assume that I will never know the answer..... so how is that "stupid"or "dangerous"?

I read that article and I am not impressed.

Theoretically, anything—a dog, a house, a planet—can pop into existence by means of this quantum quirk, which physicists call a vacuum fluctuation.

They call that a vacume fluction, I have another term.


Believing the universe and all it's contents "popped" into existence out of nothing only makes me believe we need a new theory. At least it answers part of my question regarding the Big Bang . At least people are looking at what happened and what was created before that event.


I don't believe anyone is going to nail down the answer ( How the Universe was Created) and be able to prove it anytime soon.

I asked because it's fascinating to think about.

[StSanta]

I could come up with more drawbacks to organised religion, midnight.

Much prefer personal faiths instead of a canned TV dinner type most socalled religious people subscribe to. There are those that practise what they preach though, like Kieran and others.

[AKIron]

Pondering the imponderable may lead to enlightenment or just drive ya nuts. Remember this guy? probably too much wine

[TWOLF]

Originally posted by midnight Target
If this is one of those philosophical questions like "can anything ever really be known?", or are you really interested in trying to answer the questions?

You see, the important thing is not the answer but the question. Assuming that you can never know something is stupid and dangerous. This is the only true drawback to organized religion.

There are some very plausible explanations for the Universe... If you're interested look here:

You hit it right on the head.  We don't know at the moment.  But to assume that there is no answer is folly. It may not be answered in our life time, but it will be eventually despite politicians and clergy.

One day a child walked out of a cave/climbed down from a tree, or whatever.  He/she asked a tribal elder why? Meaning existance etc.  For lack of an answer he/she made something up.  On that day religion was born.  It's been an up hill struggle against the imagined and the real ever since.

[BNM]

In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the Earth.

Prove it wrong...

[SOB]

I am God.

Prove it wrong...

[GRUNHERZ]

Vishnu is the true god!

[TWOLF]

Originally posted by BNM
In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the Earth.

Prove it wrong...

Prove it Right.

[BNM]

Kinda doubt it SOB but...

Don't have to twolf, you'll find out soon enough. I only hope you are prepared.

[GRUNHERZ]

BNM I'm assuming you are a Christian, most likely some sort of Protestant as you are in the USA.

What if the common biblical god:

Favors Catholics?

Favors Muslims?

Favors Jews?


What if the real god is:

Is the main Hindu God?

Is Zeus?

Is Ra?

Is Kuuullax?  <---- ( BTW: Correct Answer)

Is in fact,  SOB?

or

Is a real SOB?


Will you  then be prepared?