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Offline NUKE

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Root event that created the Universe...
« on: December 23, 2002, 07:18:30 PM »
...will never be known to man.

The fact that the matter that is the universe exists cannot be explained by man.

What created the matter if matter can not be created or destroyed?

What created the creator of matter?

What caused the matter (Universe)  to expand? And what caused the event that caused the matter to expand, and so on..... back into infiniity?

Can anyone honestly say they think they have a clue about the origins of the universe or existance of life?
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Offline StSanta

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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2002, 07:26:21 PM »
Religious people will say they do. Scientists will say they have some ideas that have supporting evidence. They don't know though.
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Offline JB73

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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2002, 07:28:29 PM »
It was just a really big bang... a really BIG bang!


LOL that is from a "Bloom County" comic (Oliver Wendel Jones to his dad)... i just wish i had a pic of it to put in here :D

gotta love the mentality of it :)
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2002, 07:30:29 PM »
I created the universe...I was up late one night and kind of bored.  It turned out pretty chaotic, but at least I got Dr Pepper and corn dogs out of the deal.


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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2002, 07:33:30 PM »
Try this......

Just finished reading this theory.

A dry read, but interesting....

The 12th Planet

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Badger
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2002, 07:34:47 PM »
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It was just a really big bang... a really BIG bang!


like saying websters dictionary could have been created by an explosion in a print shop.
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Re: Root event that created the Universe...
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2002, 09:15:49 PM »
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Originally posted by NUKE
...will never be known to man.

The fact that the matter that is the universe exists cannot be explained by man.

What created the matter if matter can not be created or destroyed?

What created the creator of matter?

What caused the matter (Universe)  to expand? And what caused the event that caused the matter to expand, and so on..... back into infiniity?

Can anyone honestly say they think they have a clue about the origins of the universe or existance of life?


A. Matter can be created.... E=MC**2

With enough energy, one could create matter... and it is relatively easier to create energy from matter.

One of the laws of thermodynamics says that energy could not be created or destroyed, only converted...  this law was also modifiedby E=MC**2

B. Quantum mechanics postulates that probability governs the realm of the very small.  The origins of the universe are in that realm.  The universe was created because it could be.

C. Heat. ---> Energy. ---> Quantum mechanic probability.---> Kuuullax

D. No

Praise Kuuullax! Death to Infidels! Hail to High Priest Grunherz!:D
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2002, 09:24:56 PM »
Good one SOB!
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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2002, 09:36:55 PM »
Kuuullax, the dung beetle god, created the universe.  He was bored too but I dont think he is as fond of corn dogs as SOB... :D
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2002, 10:36:39 PM »
Quantum Mechanics at work...Helium^3 atoms will flow thru holes in filters that are smaller than the atoms themselves. Their wave nature is flowing thru the holes and they "appear" on the other side.


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Re: Root event that created the Universe...
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2002, 10:44:40 PM »
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[BWhat caused the matter (Universe)  to expand? And what caused the event that caused the matter to expand, and so on..... back into infiniity? [/B]


Big bang had caused the expanding universe we have now.  Even tough i am a religious person, i do believe in the Big Bang theory.

So many questions to ask, so little time....
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2002, 06:21:26 AM »
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A. Matter can be created.... E=MC**2

With enough energy, one could create matter... and it is relatively easier to create energy from matter.

One of the laws of thermodynamics says that energy could not be created or destroyed, only converted... this law was also modifiedby E=MC**2

B. Quantum mechanics postulates that probability governs the realm of the very small. The origins of the universe are in that realm. The universe was created because it could be.

C. Heat. ---> Energy. ---> Quantum mechanic probability.---> Kuuullax

D. No


a. before there was anything, what could have created this energy?

b. roadkill ( no offense to you) That's almost that same as saying magic created the universe (to which I would ask, what created magic)

c. without matter, what caused the heat and energy?

d. I agree


Someone answered that he Big Bang started the expansion of the Universe.
Part of my question was "what caused the Big Bang?", and then, what caused the event that caused the Big Bang, and on and on.  
In other words, the starting point of the Big Bang can never be logically determined, because it would mean looking back on an infinite chain of events.

Just as it is too simple ( asinine) to say that all matter was created "because it could be", it is equally simple to just say the "Big Bang" caused the expansion without asking what caused the Big Bang and, in turn, what caused the event that caused the Big Bang.... and what caused that event....... and so on, forever....

And this Big Bang is not even dealing with the issue of what created all the matter in the Universe. It can't be reasoned (IMO) that all the matter just always existed, yet it cannot be reasoned that it was created from nothing either.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2002, 06:30:11 AM »
I'm with Nuke - we simply don't have the first clue.

We don't know what gravity is - we know what it does but not what it is.

We haven't got our head round time yet.

We can't travel past our own moon yet.

We think we know all the forces of nature - the paranormal is sci-fi rubbish - take a couple of two way radios back to the middle ages and see what happens to you :D

If there was a Big Bang we have no idea where the stuff from the Bang came from.


Do I care ?? - It's really impressive and I'm only here for a few years - I just want to enjoy it.
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2002, 07:07:34 AM »
We dont have a clue, but I bet some nomadic desert dwelling  goatherders from 2000 years ago sure knew what the hell happend....   :rolleyes:
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Re: Root event that created the Universe...
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2002, 07:51:24 AM »
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...What created the matter if matter can not be created or destroyed?

matter is desrtoyed in stars contantly. occasionaly it is desroyed in kazakhstan, japan, new mexico, small pacific atolls & under the himalyas.
most endothermic nuclear reactions 'create' matter

What created the creator of matter?

if you do cosmological physics backwards, including special & general relativity, you realize that the universe is infinitley old (the start time is infinitly long ago).  the nitwits (steven weinberg, et al) that say the period of time between the big oscar bang & the decoupling of energy & matter was 300000 seconds are talking about seconds in our rest frame.  the universe being infinitley old, there is no creator

What caused the matter (Universe)  to expand? And what caused the event that caused the matter to expand, and so on..... back into infiniity?

matter isn't itself expanding, its just spreading out (the density of the universe is decreasing) at a rate of 20 - 100 m/s/parsec. my own experiment in this area gave me a result of 42 m/s/parsec

Can anyone honestly say they think they have a clue about the origins of the universe or existance of life?

yes, but apparently not you.  
most who say yes are quite egomaniacal
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