Author Topic: Time for RR arena HT? (Read 850 times)

Max · « **Reply #30 on:** January 03, 2002, 10:53:00 PM »

Since I'm the guy who started this conversation, I offer thanks towards all you guys & gals (hear that Flossy?) for your feedback. The consensus votes a big NO on a rr arena idea. Fine.

The consensus also states...at least I'm hearing it this way...that the TA could use some improvement in terms of being what it purports to be. So WHAT IF we set up...a player based Aces High Training Academy on a purely voluntary basis?

Hey, HTC cut the subscription cost in half a few months ago...here's a chance to kick something back. Poll the squads/ players and see who will commit to an hour or so in the T.A. once @ week.

At the very least, make the TA a place for people to get answers.

DmdMax

dkit · « **Reply #31 on:** January 04, 2002, 12:46:00 AM »

Fa2 and 3 TEEEHEEE thats a joke right there!

Rude Joke of the week, FA2 teehee

kit

eddiek · « **Reply #32 on:** January 04, 2002, 01:12:00 AM »

Man, I hate to jump into this little discussion, but I am............
I am TOTALLY against a RR arena, for the simple reason of what it did to me.
I started WB back in 1999, one of the first things I did was check out the ACA. Easy mode, all that CRAP.
Thought I was getting pretty good, so I headed into the main arenas. To sum it up, I got my bellybutton handed to me, on a regular basis. Mainly as a result of the fact that I had flown easy mode, or relaxed realism, call it whatever you want. I went to the training arena, first thing they asked me was how much I had been flying. So, I, in an irate tone, told them I had been flying in the ACA. You could almost hear the "Aww crap, not another one..." thru the 'Net.
RR only increases the difficulty in learning how to fly in the full realism mode, IMO. I had to start flying a duelling ladder before I really learned how to do anything right.
What I am afraid I am seeing is people who came from AW and flew in that RR setting, and they automatically want HTC to create an arena especially for them. That bothers me a lot. I would hate to see HiTech and company EVER compromise the FM in AH. You want one of the most realistic, if not THE most realistic combat sims ever? You are there right now. AH is not perfect, far from it. But it is a work in progress, and what they have done so far is create probably the most realistic combat sim you will find outside a full blown military simulator.
I agree with the idea about the AH Training Arena. It has degraded to nothing more than a FFA, and if it is to be used for the stated "training" purposes, HTC is gonna have to get dedicated trainers and give them some authority. Like being able to boot someone out of the arena if they won't follow the rules. Simple as that. Or being able to ground them so that they can't up in anything, not even a field gun.
Said trainers would be shouldering a lot of responsibility, and would catch a lot of flak for doing their jobs. But, eventually, the arena would become what it should be, a place for newbies and veterans alike to go and hone their skills before entering the MA or CT.
(gets down from soapbox)
....and that's all I got to say about that.....

FDutchmn · « **Reply #33 on:** January 04, 2002, 02:45:00 AM »

There is no need for a "relaxed realism" arena in AH. Enough said.

akak · « **Reply #34 on:** January 04, 2002, 04:17:00 AM »

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Originally posted by DMax:
I know, it's been debated forever but given the horde of AW rr peeps and newbies comin outta the woodwork, perhaps a rr arena would provide a bit more serious flying in the MA.

The constant litany of how do I start my engine? who needs a gunner? combined with the whining, screaming and gang banging are enuff to wanna make ya start yer hair on fire and put it out with a hammer.

I vote for rr. Heck, I'll even volunteer a couple hours a week to "staff/train" Anyone else feel the same?

DmdMax
The Damned MkX

How much did Olmon pay you to post this?

As some of the ex-AW'ers that have posted on this thread know, I was one of the more die-hard RR pilots in AW. Only way you could get me into the FR arena was if it was sheep night. Not that AW FR was hard, it just didn't seem realistic to me, so I stayed in RR for 8 years.

Now that I'm in AH and got a taste of what a really good FR flight model is like (my 2 years in WB don't count, WB FM was as fugged up as AW's), there is no way in hell you are going to drag me or any other member of my squadron back into any type of RR arena. I think I've finally turned into one of those FR elitists.

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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #35 on:** January 04, 2002, 04:33:00 AM »

mrsid2 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 04, 2002, 05:28:00 AM »

Yeah I agree, MA is already easymode enough! Dumbing it down would bring AH to arcade and nobody wants that.

As long as an average child can start the game, get airborne and stay there without a weeks training, it is easy enough.

ET · « **Reply #37 on:** January 04, 2002, 05:57:00 AM »

.squelch newby

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #38 on:** January 04, 2002, 06:06:00 AM »

No way!

Flossy · « **Reply #39 on:** January 04, 2002, 06:17:00 AM »

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Originally posted by DMax:
I offer thanks towards all you guys & gals (hear that Flossy?)

LOL! yeah, DMax.... though really I don't have a problem with 'guys' - I learnt long ago that it was more of a generic term!

It's 'gents' or 'gentlemen' I have a problem with!

[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: Flossy ]

K West · « **Reply #40 on:** January 04, 2002, 08:21:00 AM »

"I think I've finally turned into one of those FR elitists."

You're well on your way! However the line in the sand has been redrawn, seeing how AH has but one FM and one comunity.

You need to take a test to requalify.

1) What's your stance on the AWACs radar

2) digital ranging icons

3) combat trim

4) and auto-retract flaps??

Hmmmmm?

Westy

W

mrsid2 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 04, 2002, 09:00:00 AM »

"I started WB back in 1999, one of the first things I did was check out the ACA. Easy mode, all that CRAP."

LOL when I got my first WB account I tried both ACA and main. Untill that I had flown offline extensively with the hardest settings and I just couldn't imagine ACA would be easymode. I flew sorties after sorties and wondered why the planes felt all wrong lol. Then someone told me ACA was easymode.

Nevertheless ACA during those days was like main, only with RR and we did have a blast there with the limited planeset, RR and field captures. After trying AH my mind was set; I'd never go back to WB as a regular.

lazs1 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 04, 2002, 12:25:00 PM »

"Sheeit, I shot down 5 allies in a 190A5 over/around their own base and proceeded home to land when I dropped in to check it out.

Ain't exactly difficult...
-SW"

yep... HA type arenas are usually places to get easy kills. The guys in em, despite their claims of being elite, are usually very inexperianced in actually fighting. They are very good at "maintaining e" .... sometimes for hours on end.. running the moment there is even the slightest chance they may be equal or less e than the other guy. Congrats on fooling em into thinking they had the advantage.

As for RR... I hate it but I would think that it would be a money maker for HTC.
lazs

K West · « **Reply #43 on:** January 04, 2002, 12:34:00 PM »

"I would think that it would be a money maker for HTC."

It very well could. Probably would actually.

But call it something other than Aces High, charge the same $$$ per month for a subscription and give "Dweebfire High" it's own homepage and webboards.

Westy

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Kieran · « **Reply #44 on:** January 04, 2002, 02:02:00 PM »

There is no true right or wrong WRT to FR or RR; the real question is what is best for the sim as a whole. Does the community need to be divided up beyond an MA and a CT? I don't happen to think so. However, if this could be done in a way that brings more people in and doesn't upset the balance of the arenas too much, sure, why not? I would say however my selfish side certainly doesn't want to include an aspect of play that will adversely affect my enjoyment...