No more suicides, no more HOs ...

[RangerBob]

Any scoring system awarding points while not having to return or ditch near a friendly base, encourages all sorts of suicide and other unrealistic maneuvers.

The current scoring system, with its complex set of variables and calculations, rewards pilots for fast kills even though they themselves may not be able to live to tell about it.

Almost nothing about the scoring system rewards pilots for any sort of realistic flying.

Understanding that this is essentially a game, as compared to a real life situation, an honest look at the scoring system by the staff is still long overdue.

Ranger Bob

[rod367th]

ju87's have now become plane of choice for suicide attacks on cv's.


When all it take is 1 guy in a  17 formation 8k to sink cv 95% time. I kill 100 to 200 cv's each tod never ever have suicided cv.



 But to say if i drop bombs and get killed by a con before bombs hit i lose points is not fair.  



 Maybe there is a way to make it so bombs do not exploded if dropped less than 3000ft OVER WATER ONLY. so jabos on bases not affected. I know its 500 ft over ground now to get bombs to exploded. Maybe this 3000ft rule would stop suicides or tame them?

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
If you ran into him from behind, you should be dead and he allive.  There's not really any other way lag would allow it to happen.

The other day I just parked a 109 at the top of a runaway in an enemy field, waiting for cons to take off by that side. I was completely stopped and a bish P51 spawned at my six. He ran over my and I was dead, he took off in perfect conditions.

[udet]

why make the game more unrealistic? there were kamikazes in WW2...

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Dago
How about "No more whines"?


dago

about as likely as no more head ons

[AKDejaVu]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
The other day I just parked a 109 at the top of a runaway in an enemy field, waiting for cons to take off by that side. I was completely stopped and a bish P51 spawned at my six. He ran over my and I was dead, he took off in perfect conditions.

Stopped on the runway and flying produce entirely different lag effects.  I have no idea how they would translate to the situation you are describing if say, he spawned in contact with your plane.

I do know that in the situation you described earlier, there is another issue because the pieces don't add up.

AKDejaVu

[DREDIOCK]

For the Record

HO's were a part of real combat, thereforre they should be left in. Deal with it

suicides were also a part of it. Anyone remember a group called Kamakazies?.
Besides most diving attacks on CV's end up in the plane getting shot down wether you want em to or not. So the arguement is irrelevent. I never attack a CV and not want to survive it but I VERY rarely do. In 6 months I think I have survived a run on a CV exactly 4 times out of dozens and dozens of attepts.

I hope they keep em both but for different reasons also.
I hope they keep em for the same reason I  dont change things about myself my wife complains about.

 If they removed em
You all  (like her) would all simply find something new to whine about.

Drediock

[devious]

I got this great guncam movie compendium the LW showed it's pilots, and there's a scene in it that actually shows a 190A6 HOing a P51. I don't know wether this guy or those guys just felt invulnerable, or desperate, or what. They just did it.

[Fariz]

If guy tries to HO me, usually I outfly him in next 10 seconds. If he tries to avoid, here I know the problem comming.

HO is a valid tactics in many cases (good punch vs. bad punch; 1 vs many; on takeoff against vulchers). After all, it is not hard to avoid them. This tour I was killed only few times trying to avoid HO, and it was thousands of such attempes. If you wish to avoid HO, you will learn it very soon, MA gives lot of chances for such practise

[mrniel]

Last night I must have had about 40 HO attempts in to flights.
In the end I just got fed up and accepted the HO and got shot down in flames in the last flight, and shot a spit in the first.

However HO's are a sound tactic in some situations, but
when co alt and energy, it actually helps YOU when the enemy
tries it.  All you have to do is dive a little and time your preturn.
and you already ahead in the gameand won some angel on him,
furthermore you will be going up and turning faster as gravity
helps, he will be going downwards and will have a harder time getting around.
Sometimes when I sense the enemy will pass close to one of the
sides, I give the rudder a healty kick, and go for a snapshot, and
once in a while I get lucky and get some hits in.

[Ike 2K#]

quote:
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Originally posted by Dago
How about "No more whines"?
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your response

about as likely as no more head ons

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My response:

Head-ons happens naturally

[dedalu]

It's very reasonably make HOs when you are in a bad shape.

I do it and I'm wonder when the other pilot, with all advantage, accepts the HO. They are dweeb, not me, because HOs can be avoided by the other pilot easly and he can use it to get more advantage.

Be clever, avoid the HO and get advantage turning while your opponent is loosing his energy.

Cya.

[MRPLUTO]

RangerBob has many good points...

There are several good, simple ideas that should be used together to counter the use of suicide attacks as standard operating procedure.

1.  Instead of a 1.25 perk multiplier for landed missions, make it much higher...2 or 3 maybe?  And raise the multiplier for ditching and bailing safely, too.

2.  Perk bombs and rockets for all non-bomber aircraft.  (The A-20 might have to be reclassified.)  Someone had an excellent post on this a few weeks ago, but I can't find it right now.

3.  Require bombers to be more or less level to drop bombs.

These ideas wouldn't solve the problem completely, but would change behavior a great deal, I think.

OR.............even better..............just leave the MA more or less like it is, and implement the Mission Theater (MT) as described...actually penalizing the group for the loss of any aircraft.  Let pilots choose what style of play they want:  dweebish & suicidal or more realistic & thoughtful.

MRPLUTO  VMF-323  ~Death Rattlers~  MAG-33

[eskimo2]

My advice on dealing with HOs:

All you need is a big puple hat, a long fur coat, lots of gold jewelry, about 18' of chain, and a tude.

eskimo

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Ike 2K#
quote:
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Originally posted by Dago
How about "No more whines"?
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your response

about as likely as no more head ons

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My response:

Head-ons happens naturally

you mean whining isn't a force of nature that bursts from the weak spots in the space/time fabric?