Author Topic: What so special about the F4U-1C? (Read 2967 times)

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #30 on:** December 30, 2002, 02:13:02 PM »

You guys are talking about this 20% but also remember we had far less choices when we needed to select a ride. At this date, trying to compare our plane usuage with the old Chog 20% is irrelevant.

The LA7 is not that bad yet because most frustrated new low/average skill pilot is getting one, hoping to rely on her performances to survive the MA.

HTC decision not to perk it always puzzled me. What is saddening me is seing numerous LA7s everytime I find a fight. What really makes me mad, and I can't blame them for doing so, are the ones runing away when u settle in their 6 (think P47), and coming back to catch you from 3k away when you try to RTB with 3 spits in your 6.

Their high numbers don't encourage the MA pilot to use a "medium plane" to have fun, but more a "ubber something"(speed/gun package or turn) to have a chance to compete.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #31 on:** December 30, 2002, 02:16:59 PM »

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Eh? Both the Spit IX and the Spit V have quite a lot of highly lethal ammo.

compared to the Chog ????

SlapShot · « **Reply #32 on:** December 30, 2002, 02:25:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Eh? Both the Spit IX and the Spit V have quite a lot of highly lethal ammo.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Oh .. I forgot to say .. Lev ... your not allowed to defend Spits.

Yes .. they have lethal ammo (cannons) but not a lot of it, and MOST Spit flyers don't fit into the "Lev" categoy of flying Spits, so ammo is a consideration.

Urchin · « **Reply #33 on:** December 30, 2002, 02:32:40 PM »

HTC doesn't have any reason to perk any of the Big 4 yet. None of them have really reached the level of the C-Hog as far as overall use goes.

As far as flying a some other plane , well that is your decision. There really isn't any reason to put yourself at a disadvantage unless you want to.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #34 on:** December 30, 2002, 02:40:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
The F4U-1C, unperked, was (and probably still would be) terribly unbalancing. Simply put, it's probably the most versatile aircraft in Aces High.

Not only does it sport four 20mm Hispano cannons (with more ammo and a tighter spread than the Typhoon), but it also carries an enormous amount of ordinance for base attack. Couple that with the fact that it also may take off from carriers, and you have a plane with nearly unmatched firepower that can take off from just about anywhere. P-38s, P-47s, and Typhoons aren't CV-ready, so they can't just up two minutes from a base with a full load of bombs, rockets, and 20mm.

Flight characteristics-wise, it's not the greatest plane in the world, but it's not the worst. It's certainly one of the faster carrier-based planes, rolling very well and handling nicely at medium to high speeds.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Perfect write up, HTC could put this in the FAQ under why is chog perked.

SlapShot · « **Reply #35 on:** December 30, 2002, 02:47:17 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Their high numbers don't encourage the MA pilot to use a "medium plane" to have fun, but more a "ubber something"(speed/gun package or turn) to have a chance to compete.

You know Frenchy .. you ALMOST "hit the nail on the head". The key word is FUN and if some pilots didn't have the option to fly these so-called "uber" planes, they wouldn't have FUN, or as you put it ... "have a chance to compete". January will complete my 1st year flying AH, and if I didn't have the Spit IX to start with, I wouldn't have lasted a month. That plane did give me a chance to compete, even tho I got my bellybutton handed countless times, that plane allowed me to at least shoot down some other planes and kept the fire going. This has to hold true for alot of the newcomers to AH.

Right now, there isn't anyting that I can't fly, just ones that I prefer, just like you ... it just isn't the P47. I like it alot, just prefer other planes at the moment. My preferences are mine and mine alone and never will I suggest to others to fly anything other than what they want and neither should anybody else.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #36 on:** December 30, 2002, 02:57:17 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Deja. Could you explain further. I'm either in an F6F or a B-26 (Most tours) and I really don't see the difference. I pretty much see the same planes. (Ponies, Spits, La-7s, and 109's).

Wotan, your post makes perfect sense, and I thank you for the information.

No, it doesn't... not given that a plane like the Dora is seldomely used against ground vehicles.

Guess how many more fighter kills the N1K has than the Dora?

AKDejaVu

BNM · « **Reply #37 on:** December 30, 2002, 03:01:28 PM »

Sorry SlapShot but your post makes waaaay too much sense for this BB, maybe next time....

Innominate · « **Reply #38 on:** December 30, 2002, 03:28:12 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
if some pilots didn't have the option to fly these so-called "uber" planes, they wouldn't have FUN

There is a big difference between an uber-plane, and a plane newbies can do welll in. You mention the spit9, which while an extremly common plane, excellent for newbies, and a generally great MA plane, is not "uber". The same applies to the n1k2 and p51, the other most common planes. The la7 on the other hand offers perk performance, in the altitude ranges in which virtually all fighting happens, for free.

Bah, Ya know you're right, thats why we should unperk everything. I'm a bad pilot, so I need to fly the best plane in order to have fun. So I should be able to fly the 262 constantly, just so I can have fun.

We don't need to have "better" planes available for newbies. While everyone would like to be able to fly something that will dominate anything the run into, that doesn't mean it's needed.

GPreddy · « **Reply #39 on:** December 30, 2002, 03:43:07 PM »

Right now I have 253 kills in the fighter category of which about 190 are in the chog. I have a total of 314 kills in the chog. This plane really helps with kills per time. I think it needs to stay perked.

I recall one sortie I killed 17 planes without getting anywhere near the enemies field. Then a b26 knocked half my wing off and I had to land. How many planes can you land on a cv with only half a wing?

mosgood · « **Reply #40 on:** December 30, 2002, 03:44:06 PM »

I gotta agree with Slapshot

When I first tried AH, I jumped in a F6F for the first month and, while learning a great deal about turn fighting, I got my bellybutton handed to me all the time.

If it wasn't for me using the 51D as training wheels for a few months in Aces High I woulda probably quite from utter frustration.

Shamus · « **Reply #41 on:** December 30, 2002, 04:27:44 PM »

I remember the bad old days prior to the perking of the chog, there was no such thing as a nose to nose merge without spraying. For some reason the chog if more deadly in that respect than the tiff..dont know why.

I can just imagine the HO screaming that would be going on now if the chog was flown in the numbers that it used to be, its MUCH more deadly than a 110 or jug in the headon shot.

shamus

SOB · « **Reply #42 on:** December 30, 2002, 05:44:39 PM »

Yeah, I too disagreed with it's perking at the time, but I think it worked out pretty well. It's nice to take the beast up from time to time to do bomber intercepts so you can witness with awe, the power of those guns. I'd hate to get into a dogfight with it tho'.

Urchin...I don't know if the stats are consistent with last month (I don't check), but the P51d might be getting higher usage this month because of the purty new art. I know I switched this month to flying the d from the b for that very reason....I'll probably get bored and end up back in the b tho'.

SOB

Shane · « **Reply #43 on:** December 30, 2002, 05:51:46 PM »

plus the ever increasing subscriber base... all the Noobs heard about how the p-51 "won" the war and just have to try it out.

SOB · « **Reply #44 on:** December 30, 2002, 06:00:49 PM »

That's a good point too. It was Warbirds that got me interested in WWII, not the other way around like a lot of guys here. When I started I knew what a Spitfire, Mustang, and a B17 were and I'd heard of the LuftWaffe, but had no idea what they flew, and that's about it. Hell, the only corsair I knew about was the A-7E type.

SOB