Author Topic: What so special about the F4U-1C? (Read 2937 times)

Kaz · « **Reply #45 on:** December 30, 2002, 06:18:29 PM »

plus the ever increasing subscriber base... all the Noobs heard about how the p-51 "won" the war and just have to try it out.

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Yep I remember my first time in the MA guess which fighter I upped in? P51D of course but then I couldn't handle the spins kept dying so I switched to yep the La7 but then I was getting kills too easily and I knew I wasn't right being a noob so I switched again. To the spits lol but then I was getting killed all the time so I switched to flying buffs mostly and limiting my fighter sorties

then the bomber changes came in and I stopped flying bombers for the most part. I'm now flying the higher 'perk getting' planes unless the situation requires a dweeb plane.

hazed- · « **Reply #46 on:** December 30, 2002, 06:46:04 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
You guys are talking about this 20% but also remember we had far less choices when we needed to select a ride. At this date, trying to compare our plane usuage with the old Chog 20% is irrelevant.

The LA7 is not that bad yet because most frustrated new low/average skill pilot is getting one, hoping to rely on her performances to survive the MA.

HTC decision not to perk it always puzzled me. What is saddening me is seing numerous LA7s everytime I find a fight. What really makes me mad, and I can't blame them for doing so, are the ones runing away when u settle in their 6 (think P47), and coming back to catch you from 3k away when you try to RTB with 3 spits in your 6.

Their high numbers don't encourage the MA pilot to use a "medium plane" to have fun, but more a "ubber something"(speed/gun package or turn) to have a chance to compete.

couldnt be more in agreement frenchy.

Urchin · « **Reply #47 on:** December 30, 2002, 07:12:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
plus the ever increasing subscriber base... all the Noobs heard about how the p-51 "won" the war and just have to try it out.

Good point about the artwork SOB, I hadn't thought of that.

Shane, actually the P51 usage hasn't increased 'dramatically'.

Out of the top 12 planes here was the change in use (so far)

1. P51 - 10.4% (9.3%) +1.1%
2. Spit IX - 9.4% (8.7%) +0.7%
3. La7 - 8.9% (8.7%) +0.2%
4. N1K2 - 7.0% (8.2) -1.2%
5. Typhoon - 5.8% (6.3%) - 0.5%
6. F6F-5 - 4.2% (3.8%) +0.4%
7. Spit V - 4.2% (3.6%) +0.6%
8. 190d-9 - 3.9% (4.2%) -0.3%
9. P-38L - 3.9% (4.3%) -0.4%
10. 109G-10 - 3.8% (4.0%) -0.2%
11. Seafire - 3.6% (2.5%) +1.1%
12. F4U-1D - 3.2% (3.4%) - 0.2%

Negative changes are in bold. Note the large increase (percentage-wise) in the Seafire, that one kind of surprised me.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #48 on:** December 30, 2002, 07:26:04 PM »

The Hog C was getting 20% when we had no rotating terrains, the Chog was about 6-8 weeks "new" and the Isles terrain was released (with all the brand spanking new CV's)We did not have rotating terrains at that time I believe, and we were in "NDIsles" terrain for about 3 months straight. Then the LW starting whining.

FYI, the Tiffy has the same guns, and flies faster...carries the same bomb load out. But during the Isles tenure, it could not launch from a CV.

bj229r · « **Reply #49 on:** December 30, 2002, 07:47:00 PM »

Tiff carries 2/3 the rounds..and has to choose between eggs or rockets

rod367th · « **Reply #50 on:** December 30, 2002, 07:50:28 PM »

I don't understand Problem. As long as everyone has same choice, Why complain about la7, nik, spit 9 or p51d. or is it guys who wan't others to fly easier planes for them to shoot?

I could careless what other guy is flying. Part of the fun is beating a better plane with a 190a5 or la5 or spit v. Or beating a p51d or la7 in a spit 9.

If I want a fair fight same plane then I go to DA.

over 1300 kills this tod only 135 in la7,p51 and spit 9 combined. never flew niki this tod.

Puke · « **Reply #51 on:** December 30, 2002, 08:51:53 PM »

You can't compare percentages when the base has changed significantly. As an exaggerated example, if we have just two aircraft choices and even if used evenly, they'll be used 50% of the time. You wouldn't want to carry that forward when you have ten aircraft choices and start making comparisons. Yes, it's an exaggerated example, but I think it makes the point a few have brought up in here. So using a percentage from a plane-set more than 1.5 years old doesn't work anymore. I missed the whole C-Hog thing, but from what Ripsnort posted it seems reasonable why its useage would be so high. But I guess those who are American-Iron fans can't fly anything armed with more than one cannon.

Basically though, the preference for a cannon armed Corsair seems to show to me there is something wrong with the damage or ballistics model [in the Aces High game] because it wasn't deemed necessary in the actual Pacific War. In fact, the Hellcats (-3 and -5 variants) could carry cannons in place of the machine guns but was never utilized during the war.

GPreddy · « **Reply #52 on:** December 31, 2002, 02:01:29 AM »

I thought the cannon version was dropped due to problems with the hispano? I recently saw a clip of guys arming a chog ammo belt and they were laying the grease with a brush to the linkages as they loaded the shells.

hogenbor · « **Reply #53 on:** December 31, 2002, 04:15:34 AM »

Relatively new as I might be I have my own thoughts about the 'fun' factor. I guess most people play for fun right?

Throughout my 'career' I resisted the temptation to fly the N1K2, Spit IX, La-7 and P-51D often. Why? I figured I would learn more if I used 'harder' planes. I fly the FM2 mostly, but also some Yak flying, La-5 and every now and then a P-47, Mossie,Hurri IIc, Spit I even. All with very different characteristics and armament.

This is challenging and in the beginning suicidal too

But it was and still is also a great deal of fun! Most of my deaths these days are pure carelessness, I just pick a good position to start a fight, blow up a few guys, get very pleased with meself, don't check six or don't notice the Osti shooting at me and kaboom. If I 'read' the fight well and pick my engagements wisely and weasily

I almost never get suprised anymore.

But this has nothing to do with the C-Hog... I do not particularly like Corsairs (vicious stalls, can't knife fight, can't build energy quickly, not fast enough) but maybe I can use my truckload of perks for it, because to this day I never used a single one of them.

Animal · « **Reply #54 on:** December 31, 2002, 05:04:52 AM »

A fine LA7/N2K whine in disguise, muck.

Dowding · « **Reply #55 on:** December 31, 2002, 05:10:27 AM »

The P-51 has been the most prevalent fighter in the MA for many tours, not just this one.

Yet people complain about the numbers of La-7s.

moose · « **Reply #56 on:** December 31, 2002, 06:23:45 AM »

one thing i positively hate about the la7 is it's tendancy to spin when you pull too hard, no matter what the speed. (worse as you go slower though)

DoctorYO · « **Reply #57 on:** December 31, 2002, 07:52:03 AM »

as if it is not obvious...

excellent e retention...

carrier based....

4 potatoe shooters...

excellent flight at all speeds....

(initial flight model was ufo...)

Thats why it was perked...

PS: Torque would cheat in it...

muckmaw · « **Reply #58 on:** December 31, 2002, 09:08:53 AM »

Animal-

You are much too perceptive for me, pal.

I thought I was going to get away with it too!

Do I get a special "Stealth-Whine" award?

This did turn out to be a very clear, mature, and informative thread. The only one I've seen in a while, I might add.

WTG Animal!

eskimo2 · « **Reply #59 on:** December 31, 2002, 09:17:33 AM »

All by itself with an experienced driver, a Chog can kill a VH at an air base, de-ack the airbase, and still have plenty of ammo to vulch the snot out of it.

The Chog is the original Vulch-O-Matic.

eskimo