Author Topic: What so special about the F4U-1C? (Read 3000 times)

SlapShot · « **Reply #60 on:** December 31, 2002, 09:44:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Innominate
There is a big difference between an uber-plane, and a plane newbies can do welll in. You mention the spit9, which while an extremly common plane, excellent for newbies, and a generally great MA plane, is not "uber". The same applies to the n1k2 and p51, the other most common planes. The la7 on the other hand offers perk performance, in the altitude ranges in which virtually all fighting happens, for free.

Bah, Ya know you're right, thats why we should unperk everything. I'm a bad pilot, so I need to fly the best plane in order to have fun. So I should be able to fly the 262 constantly, just so I can have fun.

We don't need to have "better" planes available for newbies. While everyone would like to be able to fly something that will dominate anything the run into, that doesn't mean it's needed.

I have never used the word "uber" pertaining to any plane. Notice it said "so-called" ...

What exactly does "uber" mean ? Does it infer that the plane(s) actually perform above and beyond what the real planes were actually capable of. If so, then some real hard proof should be put forth. Or, is it used when one planes advantages outweigh the plane that you are flying, which make you an easy kill ? My opinion would lean towards the latter.

What really makes a plane "uber", IMO, is the person controlling the stick. For example, Mathman (<>) kicks serious bellybutton in his F6F consistently and makes it look easy ... is that plane "uber". Same goes for French is a P47 or Lev in a Spit V. Would these guys score more kills than they already get if they flew any of these so-called "uber" planes ?

I can fly any fighter against any other fighter, and If I fly to my planes strengths and the other planes weaknesses, then odds are I will win ... same goes for any other pilot in AH. The difference is that guys like me (and there are a lot of them) are STILL learning these weaknesses and strengths, along with advanced ACM.

The La-7 has perk performance ... hmmmm ... don't agree with you 100% there. What else makes the La-7 "uber", and for that fact, I would like to see a the list of atttributes that make all these so-called" "uber" planes, "uber". I am not trying to be a wise guys here, I just don't see it. All the planes that are tagged "uber" are very killable from where I sit. Ya just got to get them into that "killable" zone. If you don't, then its something that you did wrong.

My post never inferred that we should lift perks off of all planes for the sake of fun ... what I was saying is that the current setup that we have now should be left alone.

maxtor · « **Reply #61 on:** December 31, 2002, 09:56:30 AM »

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The La-7 has perk performance ... hmmmm ... don't agree with you 100% there. What else makes the La-7 "uber", and for that fact, I would like to see a the list of atttributes that make all these so-called" "uber" planes, "uber". I am not trying to be a wise guys here, I just don't see it. All the planes that are tagged "uber" are very killable from where I sit. Ya just got to get them into that "killable" zone. If you don't, then its something that you did wrong.

Slapshot, I find that what how much time people spend in different planes colors their perception. In your case, for example, while the LA7 is by far your prefered ride, I wonder if you would be surprised to learn that it is still killing you more than you kill it?

slapshot has 251 kills and has been killed 119 times in the La-7.

slapshot has 8 kills and has been killed 10 times in the La-7 against the La-7.

SlapShot · « **Reply #62 on:** December 31, 2002, 11:28:44 AM »

maxtor ... Interesting, but if these stats are trying to disprove my statement that the La-7 is very killable, then these stats must come into play ...

La-7 - Kills in = 251 ... Kills of = 24

La-7 - Killed by = 16 ... Died in = 119

So its 24 to 16 ... I win !!!

or take a look at my Tour 32 stats ...

FM2 - Kills in = 247 ... Kills of = 9
La-7 - Kills in = 73 ... Kills of = 48

La-7 - Killed by = 22 ... Died in = 45

The FM2 has no problem wacking La-7s when flown to its strengths.

Where did you go to get those other stats ? I would like to see them. They would appear to be much more granular than those available on the HTC page.

muckmaw · « **Reply #63 on:** December 31, 2002, 12:01:04 PM »

I would love to know how you catch the LA-7 in an FM2.

I assume you need alot of altitude, and get the LA to commit to a turn fight.

AmI correct on this or am I due for another session in the TA?

Sikboy · « **Reply #64 on:** December 31, 2002, 12:06:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Puke
Basically though, the preference for a cannon armed Corsair seems to show to me there is something wrong with the damage or ballistics model [in the Aces High game] because it wasn't deemed necessary in the actual Pacific War. In fact, the Hellcats (-3 and -5 variants) could carry cannons in place of the machine guns but was never utilized during the war.

The Real world Chog didn't have to shoot down a lot of B-17s, or other well armoured planes. But in the MA they do. If my main adversary was the Zero and the Betty, I'd probably stick with the 6 50s. too

-Sik

maxtor · « **Reply #65 on:** December 31, 2002, 12:09:31 PM »

They are available off the main homepage, but here is a direct link:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/scores/statsframe.html

this is also very good:

http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats.php

SlapShot · « **Reply #66 on:** December 31, 2002, 12:11:41 PM »

Yes Muck ... the good 'ol bounce.

The FM2 drops like a rock (very quickly) and handles very well under high speed. Get some decent alt (5-10K) and drop in and say hello.

or

When the bounce you and they believe that they can turn with you. Snap-shots with those .50 cals are very deadly.

Animal · « **Reply #67 on:** December 31, 2002, 11:27:45 PM »

No problem.
At least the thread was civilized

I wish all whines were this original and stylish

I give you a 9 out of 10

the only thing lacking was minus style typing. Here is an example:

"chog perked a years ago and it not near as good as la7, niki not near as good
but when LW planes r good hitech porks it becose american planes r best of world in hitech eyes "

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #68 on:** January 01, 2003, 10:57:00 AM »

IMO, you guys are confused about what plane usage means, this is very different than % of kills, unless K/D = 1.

If you want to calculate plane usage, use only number of deaths as a much more accurate factor.

You can die only once per sortie, while u can get several kills each one.

X2Lee · « **Reply #69 on:** January 01, 2003, 03:00:07 PM »

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Originally posted by GPreddy
Right now I have 253 kills in the fighter category of which about 190 are in the chog. I have a total of 314 kills in the chog. This plane really helps with kills per time. I think it needs to stay perked.

I recall one sortie I killed 17 planes without getting anywhere near the enemies field. Then a b26 knocked half my wing off and I had to land. How many planes can you land on a cv with only half a wing?

what can anyone say? you a hell of a cherrypicker/ ack runner hide in the CV ack type guy

GPreddy · « **Reply #70 on:** January 01, 2003, 04:01:39 PM »

You dont know diddly x2lee. You cant cherry pick bombers since they all carry rear firing guns. How many buffs have YOU killed this tour? Looks like about 50 out of 374 kills (including all kinds of buffs). I have 354 out of 1368. Clearly a much higher ratio on my part even if you exclude the goons.

You are shirking your duty to your country by allowing those bombers to get past you.

X2Lee · « **Reply #71 on:** January 01, 2003, 04:25:11 PM »

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Originally posted by GPreddy

You are shirking your duty to your country by allowing those bombers to get past you.

Amen.

Happy New Year

Shane · « **Reply #72 on:** January 01, 2003, 04:28:57 PM »

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Originally posted by GPreddy
You dont know diddly x2lee. You cant cherry pick bombers since they all carry rear firing guns. How many buffs have YOU killed this tour? Looks like about 50 out of 374 kills (including all kinds of buffs). I have 354 out of 1368. Clearly a much higher ratio on my part even if you exclude the goons.
You are shirking your duty to your country by allowing those bombers to get past you.

knowing how you rarely venture past your own field, you most likely wait til the bombers are on their runs and in their bombsights before attackking them what is usually a high, fast, cannon armed plane. (this would be cherrypicking and discounting your argument about them all having rear firing guns.)

of course, being around your fleet in the chog, you get a lot of prox kills due to acks.

dunno how many you actually kill before theydrop eggs, tho'

GPreddy · « **Reply #73 on:** January 01, 2003, 06:55:43 PM »

Wrong again oh mighty labeller of donkey spittle. You dont get points for prox kills, and following your logic about waiting until they are dropping would mean I would never die. I attack buff forms usually runing in pairs and I take lots of hits. I guess the guys are so busy with their bombing that they have to bring a gunner along. It doesnt help them.

Shane · « **Reply #74 on:** January 01, 2003, 06:57:30 PM »

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Originally posted by GPreddy
Wrong again oh mighty labeller of donkey spittle. You dont get points for prox kills.

what does getting points have anything to do with what i said?

u do get *credit* but not points.

nice red herring attempt, tho'