Author Topic: Moslem justice (Read 1543 times)

Staga · « **Reply #60 on:** January 03, 2003, 06:23:29 PM »

I'm still waiting Hortlunds explanation about how justice did work in Sweden in that Osmo Vallo's case.

Hortlund · « **Reply #61 on:** January 03, 2003, 07:26:25 PM »

Well what do you want to hear?

Some criminal/alcoholic in his 30:s-40:s died when the police was arresting him. His mother claims the police killed him, a witness or two says that the Police were rough on him. The prosecuters decided that there were no grounds to press charges so the case was dropped.

Some journalist got hold of the case, and for a while everyone was screaming police brutality at the top of their lungs, so another prosecuter took a look at the case and agreed with prosecuter #1 that there were no grounds to press charges so the case was dropped again.

More screams in the media, complete with some sob-story on tv where the mother explains what a good kid her son really was. Another investigation, this time by the highest ranking prosecuter in Sweden. He agreed with prosecuter #1 and #2 and decided that there were no grounds to press charges and the case was dropped again.

So to answer your question: In Sweden people are considered innocent until proven guilty. Strangely enough that applies to cops too. In this case three different prosecuters went over the case and they all agreed that the cops had not done anyting criminal. The media thinks this is wrong though, so once in a while we get a new tv program about the case.

Its the same thing as the cops who shot the anti-EU protester at the EU summit in Gothenburg in the summer of 2001. There were riots when lots of anarchists and whathaveyou tried to storm the meeting. They were throwing rocks at the police, and generally turning Gothenburg into a war zone. A group of 6-7 cops found themselves cornered by a mob, and they were trying to retreat, weapons out. One of the cops was hit in the head by a rock and lost conciousness. When a protester came to throw a rock at the downed cop, another cop shot the protester.

3 prosecuters have decided that it was a clean shooting, no charges has been brought against the cop, the protester went to prison though, something that apparently frustrated the he** out of some people. Some journalist must have made it his personal crusade to get the cop who used his weapon fired or something. Like once every month we get a new tv program about the protester who got shot and how horrible it is that the police can do whatever they want etc etc blah blah (picture rolleyes here)

Staga · « **Reply #62 on:** January 03, 2003, 08:18:06 PM »

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The police investigation into the death of Osmo Vallo was not carried out thoroughly and impartially. The scene of arrest was cleaned before detailed forensic testing was carried out, and some eyewitnesses were reportedly asked by police officers to keep quiet about what they had seen.
The first post-mortem examination, a week after the death, was not carried out properly: it failed to take account of detailed eyewitness statements and thus examine the body thoroughly. A thorough examination would have discovered some broken ribs and whether or not a neck vertebra had been damaged. Pathologists carrying out subsequent post-mortem examinations disagreed on whether the police violence and/or positional asphyxia contributed to his death. The National Board of Forensic Medicine (Rättsmedicinalverket) failed to review properly the first post-mortem examination, and the Judicial Council (Rättsliga Rådet) of the National Board of Health and Welfare (Socialstyrelsen) failed to produce an authoritative and impartial report on the post-mortem examinations and on international concerns on positional asphyxia as a cause of death in police custody in certain circumstances.
The prosecution authorities failed to question the results of the first post-mortem examination and why they did not correspond to eyewitness accounts; and failed to bring prosecutions based on the many eyewitness statements concerning the police officers' treatment of Osmo Vallo, which were consistent with the 39 wounds and bruises found on his body, as well as with the noise heard by some of the eyewitnesses as if something inside Osmo Vallo's upper body had cracked.
Instead, the two arresting police officers were convicted and fined in 1996 solely in connection with their failure to control the police dog during the incident.

looks like you fcked that case pretty badly and tryed to sweep it under the carpet.

So how is Christian legal system working in sweden, Russia and Southern american countries ?
What do you think about Colonel Budanov's case in Russia? It was, after all, Christian court.

ra · « **Reply #63 on:** January 03, 2003, 08:24:21 PM »

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So how is Christian legal system working in sweden, Russia and Southern american countries ?

These countries all have secular legal systems. I don't think any country has had a Christian court for a few centuries.

ra

Staga · « **Reply #64 on:** January 03, 2003, 09:48:20 PM »

So when a country which is using Islam and French codes as its law fcks up it's bad but when a country using "western" type of laws fcks up it's all O.K ?

Thanks for clearing this up, guess I'm not a lawyer type of guy

Hortlund · « **Reply #65 on:** January 04, 2003, 04:09:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
So when a country which is using Islam and French codes as its law fcks up it's bad but when a country using "western" type of laws fcks up it's all O.K ?

Thanks for clearing this up, guess I'm not a lawyer type of guy

No I guess you're not.

You are missing the point by a mile and you seem inable to understand the difference between western european laws and various mid eastern "laws". On top of that, you fail to realize that there is a difference between the western european secular legal systems, and the mid eastern sharia-based legal systems. Not only that, in your attempt to score whatever points you think you have, you argue like a 12 yr old.

Hortlund · « **Reply #66 on:** January 04, 2003, 04:14:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
looks like you fcked that case pretty badly and tryed to sweep it under the carpet.

LOL "sweep it under the carpet" didnt I say in my previous post that we got about one tv program a month on that case, combined with a hail storm of newspaper articles?

Frankly you can believe what you want, I know that the wheels of justice have been over this case three times, using three different prosecutors. All have reached the conclusion to drop all charges. That satisfies my thirst for justice. But as I said, there is some journalist out there on a personal crusade or something, so I suspect we will see lots of more programs/newspaper articles. Meanwhile, the cops are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not "until proven guilty by the media".

You should learn critical reading of sources or something.

Staga · « **Reply #67 on:** January 04, 2003, 09:50:14 AM »

"The scene of arrest was cleaned before detailed forensic testing was carried out, and some eyewitnesses were reportedly asked by police officers to keep quiet about what they had seen."

Yeah what ever Hortlund