Author Topic: Helmet & Seat Belt Laws (Read 1633 times)

hawk220 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 01, 2003, 01:18:11 PM »

rgr that Eskimo2 and thanks for your well wishing.

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 02, 2003, 08:32:52 AM »

Soo... now that we have these seatbelt and helmet laws.... how much has the percent of your income paid for medical insurance gone down?

NEVER give the govenment a chance to run a part of your life for your own good. They will allways do a piss poor job of it and cost you more than it was ever worth. NEVER vote to take away anothers freedom unless it interferes with yours.
lazs

Curval · « **Reply #17 on:** January 02, 2003, 08:45:50 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Soo... now that we have these seatbelt and helmet laws.... how much has the percent of your income paid for medical insurance gone down?

Are you suggesting that these laws are nanny like? But they are US laws...how can that be?

lazs2 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 02, 2003, 09:00:43 AM »

They are indeed nanny like. The U.S. is not devoid of freedom robbing nanny laws.. In fact... I was the one who suggested that you and beetle choose seatbelt and helmet laws for an example of U.S. nannying.

One problem tho... what we do about seatbelt and helmet laws the limey's do on a greater scale... they outnanny us... Their helmet laws are nationwide and were passed without any resistance by a passive people... In the U.S. there are pockets of resistance for helmet laws at least.... many states told the feds to go pound sand on helmet laws. Many other states fought the feds for years... in California... for a decade before caving in to the liberals and the women and the actors.

ending womens sufferage would go a long way toward making things right again in the U.S. The men could then shame the sissy men who vote like women into voting properly. They would be men again for at least a minute or two whild they were away from their "significant other" (damn that cracks me up) at the voting booth.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Wlfgng · « **Reply #19 on:** January 02, 2003, 09:07:47 AM »

everyone talks about how medical costs go up due to people not wearing seatbelts and/or helmets..
how much does it cost to enforce?
haw many cops are busy checking seatbelts and helmets instead of stopping criminals?

beet1e · « **Reply #20 on:** January 02, 2003, 09:08:56 AM »

ROFL Curval! Good one.

Let's see...

The freedom to keep all your money - but Uncle Sam takes taxes.
The freedom to drive at 100mph - taken away in most states.
The freedom to build whatever you like, wherever you like - taken away by US Zoning laws.
The freedom to drink alcohol - denied to those under 21.
The freedom to gamble - removed in all states except NV,NJ, and a few pisspot casinos here and there.
The freedom to buy bongs, and other drug paraphernalia at head shops - outlawed in 1981.
The freedom to pump your own gas - denied in OR and NJ.

I could go on, but you get the point... Yes, all good quality US laws. Still, they have enough lawyers, so they have to be kept occupied.

Curval · « **Reply #21 on:** January 02, 2003, 09:12:09 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
ending womens sufferage would go a long way toward making things right again in the U.S.

Let it be known that lazs...spokesman for tough hombres everywhere....is proposing that the US should pass the greatest nanny law of all time. The repeal of women's right to vote. Help save the United States from women...please.

Bonden · « **Reply #22 on:** January 02, 2003, 09:12:41 AM »

My cousin recommends wearing seat belts in his Mercedes cause if you don't, the air bags (hopefully never deployed) would break your neck.

Helmet laws are another thing. In my community there is a police officer who is going nuts about "illegal helmets" the beanies many people wear. Too much to get into here.

Bonden

lazs2 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 02, 2003, 09:22:05 AM »

beetle... every example you gave above about U.S. "nannying" is done in limeyland to you by your nannies 10 fold over us.

curval... well of course I am for ending womens sufferage. Isn't everyone? Comon... I won't tell your "significant other" (damn that cracks me up).. Why should women be allowed to vote? Sheesh... you are suppossed to leave your mom at some point and make your own decisions.
lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #24 on:** January 02, 2003, 09:44:22 AM »

Lazs!

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beetle... every example you gave above about U.S. "nannying" is done in limeyland to you by your nannies 10 fold over us.

Wrong. I can pump my own gas, anywhere in Europe. I can drive legally at 100mph - well, in Germany I can, which is of course part of my pissant continent. Alcohol may be drunk legally by those aged 18 and over. Gambling is allowed here. So you're wrong on a few counts - so nice to see that in a world of change, some things remain the same!

Wlfgng · « **Reply #25 on:** January 02, 2003, 10:12:05 AM »

what good is it though.. it's.. it's.. over THERE

jonnyb · « **Reply #26 on:** January 02, 2003, 11:54:30 AM »

hawk, does one have to die to donate a kidney? I thought you could survive with only one, or am I misinformed? The reason I ask is that I've been a platelet/plasma donor for years and am a bone marrow donor as well. You need a kidney? You can have one of mine...I've got another.

Airhead · « **Reply #27 on:** January 02, 2003, 11:58:42 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
ROFL Curval! Good one.

Let's see...
The freedom to keep all your money - but Uncle Sam takes taxes.
The freedom to drive at 100mph - taken away in most states.
The freedom to build whatever you like, wherever you like - taken away by US Zoning laws.
The freedom to drink alcohol - denied to those under 21.
The freedom to gamble - removed in all states except NV,NJ, and a few pisspot casinos here and there.
The freedom to buy bongs, and other drug paraphernalia at head shops - outlawed in 1981.
The freedom to pump your own gas - denied in OR and NJ.
I could go on, but you get the point... Yes, all good quality US laws. Still, they have enough lawyers, so they have to be kept occupied. [/B]

1) Our tax rate is lower than yours in England and most other Euro countries.

2) We can drive faster here than you can in England. Personally I'm glad our speed limit is 70mph...from what I've witnessed most drivers can't handle that speed very well anyway.

3) Zoning laws? Ya got me there. I can't build a porn shop next door to an elimentary school, a supermarket in my residential neighborhood or a nuclear reactor right in downtown NYC.

4) Correct, our drinking age is 21. But have you ever seen a 18, 19 or 20 year old drunk? They tend to throw up alot and wreck their cars... but if you feel this is a "denial of freedom" then doesn't your limit of 18 deny the right to drink to 17 year olds also a denial of freedom?

4) Gambling! Are you saying England has no restrictions on where gaming casinos can be built? FWIW I can drive less than 30 miles in any direction and find a place to lose my money, and they're building more every day. Maybe what we should do is do a Google search on gambling and see just where more money is wagered- here in the USA or all of Europe combined.

5) Paraphinilia for drugs being illegal? Where? In CA it depends on whether you call it a "bong" or a "water pipe." They're both the same thing, just that "bong" implies its for drug use. I can also buy cigarette papers of every type and size, subscribe to High Times magazine, even legally posess marijuana now.

6) Pumping gas? Right, illegal in New Jersey and Oregon, OK in the other 48 States. Believe me, though, you can find screwier laws than that to point to.

Basically a freedom to drive fast in Germany affects you as much as a prohibition of pumping gas in Oregon affects me. You don't live in Germany so you can't drive at 100 MPH, and I don't live in Oregon so I can pump my own gas. I'll bet you I can get to a place where I can legally drive at 100 MPH, tho, a lot quicker than you can get to the Autobhan, and I'll bet the gas I use costs about a third of what you pay for petrol.

Curval, ya got me curious now. Is Bermuda subject to taxation?

Curval · « **Reply #28 on:** January 02, 2003, 12:09:41 PM »

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Curval, ya got me curious now. Is Bermuda subject to taxation?

I did this already for lazs...but here goes again:

We have taxes on all imports in the form of customs "duty". Basically "everything" is expensive and the tax is buried in the cost to the consumer.

We have annual fixed fees for companies incorporated here...no "income tax" for companies.

Payroll tax must be paid for all employees.

Land tax based on an annual rental value of the property (which is unrealistically low, but set by government).

There is an arrival tax paid by each cruise ship passenger, and a departure tax for air visitors.

There is a hotel occupancy tax which is paid by the guests and passed on to goverment.

There are no income taxes of any kind.

Boils down to a consumtion tax from an individual's perspective..you buy it, you pay tax on it.

Airhead · « **Reply #29 on:** January 02, 2003, 12:36:01 PM »

Sounds like a sales tax based system which is what we should do here. Our tax code is so screwed up that we worry more about raising "red flags" than we do about accuracy. If I buy a boat I pay taxes on it, but if I buy a boat that has a head on it I can write it off as my "second home." Thanks for info.