Yup...we're in Afghanistan because of terrorism.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Ping
Seems strange that with N Korea being the largest nuclear threat compared to Irag, The government is dead set on invading Iraq.
 US Authorities knew all about N K's developments but seemed to do the most at keeping it quiet, and using diplomacy when all was revealed.
 No matter what happens in Iraq US Gov is intent on going in and Liberating the populace of Iraq.

 Just look at the facts of what N K's leadership are doing to their people.....and threatening their neighbours to the south, kidnapping Japanese civilians.
 Its REEEEEAl hard not to attribute the actions of Western governments to that of Hypocritical self serving actions.
 And then to make us conspiracy theorists go a little deeper over the edge, look at corporate heads involvements in shady deals with .
 Iraq was areas biggest ally in the region...government knew all about his frame of mind then, chose not to care.
 Noriega was besstest friend..despite his slightly lacking in character.
 Taliban were friends at one time as well when fighting Evil communist hoarde. Evil communist hoarde are now friends and Taliban bad.
 The truth is We are never where we are as according to Government TRUTH.....We will always be lied to by The ruling government of the time.

 No matter what ANYONE on this board chooses to believe or spout in righteous indignation...we are all being REAMED big time.
"The truth is the first casualty in War."

Ok... for the 1,000,000,000th time (to include national media outlets of all kinds)

Pay attention now... reeeeead the letters below.

.... NORTH KOREA HAS NEVER SHOWN THE PROPENSITY TO UTILIZE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

....IRAQ HAS USED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

Simple enough??  Is it getting through... "Bueller??.... Bueller??"  Ok, now here's another little announcement thats been broadcast a million times

G. Bush 41 said on many occasions that THE GOAL OF DESERT STORM WAS TO OUST IRAQ FROM KUWAIT... NOT REMOVE SADDAM FROM IRAQ.  Ok... so don't get started with the "G.B. 41 failed and now his son is finishing" routine.  Context guyz... KEEP IT IN CONTEXT!!

[JBA]

http://www.iraqwatch.org/suppliers/whoarmediraq.pdf

[AKIron]

Concerning the difference between North Korea and Iraq.

It really comes down to what is practical. A war against Iraq would likely result in few casualties to the US or to our allies.

North Korea on the other hand has a very large army and air force sitting about 60 miles north of Seoul which has about 12 million people and a war there would likely result in millions of casualties.

North Korea may have to be dealt with in time. Iraq has had 10 years to conform to their agreement but has balked the whole time. Why should we be so eager to jump on North Korea? Especially since our military has been gutted.

[Ping]

SO...If having used weapons of mass distruction is the criteria..shouldnt then the USA abandon all weapons of mass distruction?  Seems to me They used gas in the first, and then atomic in the second.
 Bueller here gets it, Hussein is a wacko, however you seem to need a clue. The USA and Western Governments use double standards on Friends and enemies. That was the point of my post.
 We are not receiving the FULL fluff'n story from the Politicians.
 Did You read my post Bueller?
 Re Read it...Nowhere did I say Saddam should be given a key to a Nuclear arsenal.
 Our friends today seem to become our enemies the next. And then it seems they cant be trusted with what they have...dangerous stuff.

  Kill the damn double standards and call a spade a spade. No matter how you look at it N K invaded the south..killed alot of westerners, as of recently kidnapped Japanese civilians. They still want control of S K.   No matter what Iraq does at this point..it is the full intention of the current Gov of the US to go to war.


NOTE: I COULD CARE LESS IF SADMAN HUSSEIN IS POPPED.
 Its the governments deceit I have a problem with.

 Ping pops meds.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Ping
SO...If having used weapons of mass distruction is the criteria..shouldnt then the USA abandon all weapons of mass distruction?  Seems to me They used gas in the first, and then atomic in the second.

The US used gas in WWI? Thats' news to me. Though my maternal grandfather, a US marine, was gassed and left for dead in WWI. Sure you don't have it mixed up who was doing the gassing?

[weazel]

When you need it to support your left wing liberal Anti Americanism..

Like so many others who act like cringing half breed dogs which were beaten as puppies..... who fall all over each other as they try to lick the hands and feet of their master.... so he won't let mean old saddam or bin laden whip them..

You don't deserve the title American if you choose to act like a cringing dog hiding under masters feet...all the while keeping one eye on him hoping he won't be the next to beat you.

By trying to ridicule or defame me down you show your anti-American leanings.

There is nothing anti-American about dissent, on the other hand GWB is the biggest anti-American in the land.

All you have to do is look at his record so far to see it....but you need to remove your rose colored blinders first.

Bin Ladens laughing at you all for how easy it was to turn you into whimpering shells of men.

People like you make me sick.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by weazel
People like you make me sick.

What a coincidence

-Sik

[Toad]

Originally posted by Tumor
No Sik... this article is simply another way the Democrybabies and Libowussies can take something out of context and spin it to thier liking.  It's amuzing though... CRY ON DEMOCRATS!! lol

hmmmm..... I could have sworn I read...

[Ping]

Originally posted by AKIron
The US used gas in WWI? Thats' news to me. Though my maternal grandfather, a US marine, was gassed and left for dead in WWI. Sure you don't have it mixed up who was doing the gassing?

  Gas was used by both sides in WWI. One of the saddest cases happened when the allies used gas on the german lines and the wind shifted...they gassed their own men as a result.

 As I have posted previously..this is about Truth..I dont care if a country is a "Friend" or not....If they are guilty of serious violations then they should be held responsable.
 I dont care if the Allies need a place to operate from...what is Saudi Arabia up to..Turkey..and to top it all off Pakistan. toejam there is a nuclear war in the making with India.

 Here in Canada You cant believe a thing the government tells you..Its pretty close to the same thing in the US.  Its all about Lies Deceit and Spin Doctors. Government was supposed to be there to manage the countries services, Not subjugate us and dictate our daily lives. Does it not bother you that you are regularily lied to and deceived by an authority that you are supposed to trust and whom represents your voice?

[StSanta]

I think both sides are right and wrong.

Weazel is right in that terrorism wasn't the only thing to go into the calculation about an invasion. OTOH, rooting out Al Qaeda had a higher priority. All western governments try to get some good economic deal outta a bad situation. It's sound capitalism.

OTOH, when there's little economic incentive or the poplulation isn't really behind military action, it won't take place. North Korea is a good example. The DPRK is a much greater threat to the US than is Iraq, but there's not much to win economically in a war with the DPRK. So the focus will be Iraq. Which is a shame.

Funked wrote:The more important thing is that Al Qaeda has been thoroughly disrupted

Recent attacks and activity indicate that this isn't true. I suspect we'll see a major strike relatively soon. Such rats are hard to kill, especially as they have links to every other crazed fanatical Muslim terror organisation.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Ping
Gas was used by both sides in WWI. One of the saddest cases happened when the allies used gas on the german lines and the wind shifted...they gassed their own men as a result.

Yes, that's interesting, but did the US use gas? I honestly don't know and would be interested in any information you have on the subject.

-Sik

[weazel]

Your a so called "conservative".

"Government was supposed to be there to manage the countries services, Not subjugate us and dictate our daily lives. Does it not bother you that you are regularily lied to and deceived by an authority that you are supposed to trust and whom represents your voice?"

[/b]

See cringing dog post above. /\

[Ping]

Originally posted by Sikboy
Yes, that's interesting, but did the US use gas? I honestly don't know and would be interested in any information you have on the subject.

-Sik

 I will have to stand down temporarily on the US as having used it. Just started searching and have not found any info on the Us yet..just The French, British and Germans.
 Depending on what you find it was either the French or the Germans that first used it.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/weaponry/gas.htm
http://www.worldwar1.com/arm006.htm

 Still looking.
http://www.indiana.edu/~libgpd/historical/acchs2.pdf
 Adobe page 84 mentions the use of gas shell be the 78th
division.
http://www.indiana.edu/~libgpd/historical/acchs4.pdf
 Adobe page 90 stating the French fired more gas shells than the 26th division thus drawing more retaliatory strikes.

 So Yes..The US most definitely used Gas in WWI.  

 Info from Cochrane, Rexmond Canning. Gas Warfare in World War I. U.S. Army Chemical Corps Historical Office. Army Chemical Center, Maryland: U.S. Army Chemical Corps Historical Office. 1959-1960.

[lord dolf vader]

ohh yea we used gas they dug up a bunch of gas rounds in new york last year. and  we produced the hell out of um in ww2 just never used um.

[poopster]

Sometimes a thread becomes an exersize in intellectual masterbation with a healthy dose of cut'n paste.

You all take turns ranting, no one listens to one another, there is no discussion..

The point being ???

All I can see is an uncanny resemblance to MG's posts on another board where most people are more than satisfied listening to themselves talk.

Mutual gratification along with a WHOLE lot of soapboxes..

Is it good for you ???

I hope so...but..

It's a chitty read..

.....the hooks are sooooo obvious