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Offline Rude

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« Reply #180 on: January 10, 2003, 03:13:25 PM »
I've been killin folks in mass quantities for many moons in these sims....getting kills and landing them has nothing at all to do with true ability and skill.

Being on the short end of a 3v1, enemy with the advantage and flyin away with their scalps marks true skill and ability....those kind of virtual pilots are few and far between....I'll bet there is not more than 20 in this entire inventory of humans.
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Offline X2Lee

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« Reply #181 on: January 10, 2003, 03:15:29 PM »
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fun but became rather  boring(for me). It got to be that there were only a couple guys that could hang versus my spit 1v1.. and those were other spitty sticks, no other plane could hang.


You MUST be talking about a RR spit.     :D
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« Reply #182 on: January 10, 2003, 03:21:17 PM »
X2LEE... Ya, so?
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« Reply #183 on: January 10, 2003, 03:28:07 PM »
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I've been killin folks in mass quantities for many moons in these sims....getting kills and landing them has nothing at all to do with true ability and skill.

Being on the short end of a 3v1, enemy with the advantage and flyin away with their scalps marks true skill and ability....those kind of virtual pilots are few and far between....I'll bet there is not more than 20 in this entire inventory of humans.


Yup.
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Offline Steve

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« Reply #184 on: January 10, 2003, 03:35:14 PM »
Rude...  your opinion is unfair in one respect: if there is no skill in getting kills and landing them, why don't ALL the D9 and pony pilots have  K/d's over 10.0? My point:  there is some skill involved in getting and landing kills.  The fact that so few FW, La7, and pony pilots have less than spectacular K/D's is indeputable proof of this.  Some of the E fighter sticks furball, so we can exclude them... what about the rest?  In the entire MA there are less than 15 guys with a K/D of 10.0 or better. If getting and landing kills requires no true skill... why aren't there hundreds over 10.0?  I submit that maintaining a very high K/D does take skill, as evidenced by what I've discussed...very few of the hundreds of D9/LA7/Pony sticks have anything approaching that.  Now, I agree, a guy that can regularly tangle 1v3 and come out the winner is truly a skilled person...the kind of guy you know you've run into after a couple roundies.
You guys can pound on me all ya like.. I simply see it as evidenced by the lack of K/D's over 10 that landing kills requires skill..albeit different than furballing.  
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Offline slimm50

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« Reply #185 on: January 10, 2003, 03:41:02 PM »
sniff sniff...nobody mentioned me as a pilit to fear, or even a uber dweeb (closer to th truth)
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« Reply #186 on: January 10, 2003, 03:50:12 PM »
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Rude...  your opinion is unfair in one respect: if there is no skill in getting kills and landing them, why don't ALL the D9 and pony pilots have  K/d's over 10.0? My point:  there is some skill involved in getting and landing kills.  The fact that so few FW, La7, and pony pilots have less than spectacular K/D's is indeputable proof of this.  Some of the E fighter sticks furball, so we can exclude them... what about the rest?  In the entire MA there are less than 15 guys with a K/D of 10.0 or better. If getting and landing kills requires no true skill... why aren't there hundreds over 10.0?  I submit that maintaining a very high K/D does take skill, as evidenced by what I've discussed...very few of the hundreds of D9/LA7/Pony sticks have anything approaching that.  Now, I agree, a guy that can regularly tangle 1v3 and come out the winner is truly a skilled person...the kind of guy you know you've run into after a couple roundies.
You guys can pound on me all ya like.. I simply see it as evidenced by the lack of K/D's over 10 that landing kills requires skill..albeit different than furballing.  


Steve....

Read again pls....I didn't say no skill, I said it had nothing to do with TRUE ability and skill....big difference.:)

As to why the D9 and Pony pilots do not have k/d's above 10.0 is very simple and I'll share the truth with ya.....achieving a k/d above 10 and maintaining it through the end of a tour requires not skill, but rather patience and caution...there is a big difference between the two.

Is there any thing wrong with someone flying one of those rides in a manner consistent with history? Absolutely not. However, when I start hearing folks claiming, hey I've got skills because I have a high k/d, I have to shake my head.

I know pilots in the MA who can plain whoop any one of your high k/d pilots. The two styles speak to different sets of attributes....The high k/d pilot is that of patience and conditions....the one I speak of, to raw talent and ability.
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Offline g00b

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« Reply #187 on: January 10, 2003, 04:01:54 PM »
I think kill per time is probably the best judge of raw piloting skill. Coming from the curently 2nd highest ranked kills/hour pilot :)

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« Reply #188 on: January 10, 2003, 04:03:08 PM »
Hmmm ok.. I'll buy that, mostly.  what about this anomaly:  a guy had a k/D of 10 or better, a K/S of... whatever is exceptional(what is?)... and a K/T that is excpetional (what is?)

What I mean is... if a guy flies a D9 and has a K/d of... 10 or more.. and a K/T of... whats good?  8? 9? 10?  
Must he not be skilled as well as patient/cautious?  Anyone that makes good decisions and  possesses nominal  skill can have a very high K/D, and I think that is a point you were making.  What about the guy in the d9 with respectable/exceptional numbers in all 3(K's /D /T /S)?(Is there anyone doing this?)   Personally, I am unable to achieve this, just not skilled enough.. I see K/T's of over 10 and mentally give the person a nod of respect... I cannot seem to get mine to 8. But... and it's important... I am having fun :)
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Offline WldThing

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« Reply #189 on: January 10, 2003, 04:27:51 PM »
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« Reply #190 on: January 10, 2003, 04:29:40 PM »
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Aggresivness = Skill


neh...  not quiiiiiiiite.


aggressiveness is one path to acquiring skills in an air combat sim.

levi's quote in my sig pretty much sums it up for me.
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« Reply #191 on: January 10, 2003, 04:31:19 PM »
my god Shane i posted that 45 seconds ago... I edited it and you have already replied... my god man get a life! :D  :)
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Offline Shane

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« Reply #192 on: January 10, 2003, 04:32:58 PM »
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my god Shane i posted that 45 seconds ago... I edited it and you have already replied... my god man get a life! :D  :)


No Mercy!!!!   :mad: :mad:    :D
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Offline Rude

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« Reply #193 on: January 10, 2003, 04:53:56 PM »
Steve.....

There is currently a player in the top 10 score wise, who has a great k/d and a stellar k/t....I assure you, he could not handle a Drex or Levi or Nath or a number of others...he is at best an average pilot who knows how to work the scoring system.
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #194 on: January 10, 2003, 05:37:08 PM »
Aggressiveness being the most important quality in actual air combat is the one constant factor referred to by the great aces
in history.

He who flys defensively has already lost the fight.

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Man, dont make me go get all my quotes ;)


So very true rude.  Rank means little in AH except that *most* high rankers have excess time on their hands.
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