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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2003, 08:54:07 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2003, 08:59:28 AM »
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That in no way negates the fact that nutjobs are not exclusive to Islam. In fact, it is irrelevant to my point.



A moot point, since neither of us has lost family members to terrorism of any kind and no-one can truly judge how they would react to such a situation.


Yes it does negate it...because those conflicts were localised there was no need to racially profile Irishmen or Serbs entering the US, Great Britain etc.

I'm not saying they weren't nutjobs...they were/are.  They are just doing all their "nuttyness" in their own countries.

The fact is that Musilm nutjobs have attacked the west IN the west.  To protect ourselves we need to make sure the Musilms boarding planes and trains in the west are of the peaceful sort.

Easy to say it is a moot point...BUT I lost a friend in the WTC, not a family member and that alone makes me feel that profiling is warrented.  If it was a family member my feelings would merely be STRONGER.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2003, 09:00:29 AM »
Perhaps, Gunthr, because a larger number of Muslims are poor, live in countries whose ruling class wouldn't look out of place in feudal Europe and will never relinquish any power to the populace. Add to this a lack of education, deliberate propaganda from terrorist, extremist groups in the poorer areas of the world. The existence of huge, dispossessed groups such as the Palestinians who are seen as an untermenschen by a Western supported government, with a level of human rights provision a Westerner would never accept. Nationalism and a feeling of injustice is used to fuel a fury aimed at those who perpetuate it - religion becomes a unifying power, as it has done many times before. Those in a position to do something about it, outside of strapping semtex to their torso and going on a bus ride, fund or fund-raise for organisations set-up to 'redress the balance'. These individuals tend to be highly educated religious nut-jobs who believe they have a mandate from the Islamic world for their actions. To some extent they probably do.

Perhaps those things have something to do with it, but I'm no expert.

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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2003, 09:00:37 AM »
Warrented or not, it might not be the best system for actually stopping them.  Do you want to stop them or make muslims feel oppressed for revenge's sake?

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2003, 09:09:23 AM »
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Yes it does negate it...because those conflicts were localised there was no need to racially profile Irishmen or Serbs entering the US, Great Britain etc.


Really? Tell that to the families of the 12 year old lads killed in Warrington (England), or those killed in the Birmingham pub bombings (England). You did have nutcase Irishmen adept at planting semtex on the mainland - do you think we should have introduced racial profiling in that case?

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Easy to say it is a moot point...BUT I lost a friend in the WTC, not a family member and that alone makes me feel that profiling is warrented. If it was a family member my feelings would merely be STRONGER.


I'm sorry that is case, I couldn't know that.

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2003, 09:24:20 AM »
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Really? Tell that to the families of the 12 year old lads killed in Warrington (England), or those killed in the Birmingham pub bombings (England). You did have nutcase Irishmen adept at planting semtex on the mainland - do you think we should have introduced racial profiling in that case?



I'm sorry that is case, I couldn't know that.


Technically, in the case of the Irish conflict and the events you describe were still "localised" by virtue of the fact that it remained in the United Kingdom.

It wouldn't have been "racial" profiling even if it was done.  Irishmen and Brits are the same "race".

But, having said that I'm sure you will find that MI5 or Scotland Yard would have been watching the flow of people between Ireland and Great Britain very carefully...in fact they probably continue to do so.




There was no way for you to know...hell, I didn't find out about it until a year later.  I had lost touch with the guy...but it was still a shock to find out he had been killed.  I was all for racial profiling before I found out...since then I am even more "for it".


Thrawn...how about random searches AND profiling Mid Eastern types.  That should cover both ends of the spectrum.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2003, 09:30:50 AM »
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Thrawn...how about random searches AND profiling Mid Eastern types.  That should cover both ends of the spectrum.


Hell, why not search everyone.

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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2003, 09:39:11 AM »
It would take too long silly.:p
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2003, 09:54:43 AM »
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It would take too long silly.:p


Yes it would be completely impractical.

Let's diddly around with some numbers I'm pulling out of my ass.

You got 100 passengers going on a flight.  One of the passengers is a non-middle-eastern looking terrorist.  2 of the passengers look middle-eastern.

There are 10 security officer people to seach all the passengers.  A sercurity officer can only search 1 person.  

Using randon searches there is a 1 in 10 chance of the terrorist being caught.

Using racial profiling and random searches, 2 of the security officers have to search the middle-eastern looking passengers.  There are now 8 officers to search the 98 remainin non-middle-eastern looking passengers.  

The terrorist now has a 1 in 12.25 chance of being caught.
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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2003, 10:07:10 AM »
Just where are all these non Mid-Eastern looking terrorists?

You do realise that it would be difficult for Al Quieda to talk John Smith into killing himself in a Jihad War?  All of the terrorists to date have looked the part.

Now, I do see your point where it relates to Asians.  Lots of them, from Indoneia etc. could slip past the profilers, I suppose.

But, you are baseing your entire theory on the fact that Al-Quieda WILL change their modus operendi.  How do you know this?

Your theory almost got a plane blown up going to the US from Paris...they randomly searched the black man who helped to prevent this while allowing the Shoe Bomber to board unmolested.

I have some proof..you have opinions and an interesting theory.
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2003, 10:12:49 AM »
Until Thrawns army of white terrorists appear...

go one step further .. put all mid eastern men on their own flight ..

if numbers allow only one flight per week/month to a given destination ... so be it.
There is always Greyhound...
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2003, 10:16:25 AM »
How about this guy?


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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2003, 10:17:33 AM »
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go one step further .. put all mid eastern men on their own flight ..


Make black people sit at the back of the bus, while you are at it.

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2003, 10:19:24 AM »
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How about this guy?



I say one bullet in the head, what do you libs say?

This loser, McVie and who? Is that your swarm of whitie terror?
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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2003, 10:21:29 AM »
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But, you are baseing your entire theory on the fact that Al-Quieda WILL change their modus operendi.  How do you know this?


What happend after they unsuccesfully tried to blow up the WTC with a car bomb?

"Your theory almost got a plane blown up going to the US from Paris...they randomly searched the black man who helped to prevent this while allowing the Shoe Bomber to board unmolested. "

Even an effective system doesn't mean a 100% system.