Author Topic: racial profiling (Read 1807 times)

capt. apathy · « **on:** January 06, 2003, 12:19:04 AM »

Please pause a moment and reflect back, by taking the following multiple choice test:

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

a. Olga Corbitt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwartzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:

a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:

a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:

a. Captain Kid
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:

a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Your grandmother
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, no patterns anywhere to justify profiling!

whgates3 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2003, 02:06:04 AM »

it easy to set up a pattern if you cut out the data points that dont match (OK City, trey arrow, John Hinkley jr, Guenther Parche, Frank Corder, etc)...#2 was as legit as Washington crossing the deleware river to shoot the $hi† outta the brits

Eagler · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2003, 06:57:11 AM »

13. In Jan 5th 2003, over two dozen innocent Tel Aviv shoppers murdered & disfigured by two nutbag suicide bombers were murdered by:

a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Your grandmother
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

UserName · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2003, 07:23:11 AM »

Kill all muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40!

Mr.H · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2003, 07:33:39 AM »

All those lads in all that time have barely made a scratch on the US death by handguns yearly total.

Curval · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2003, 07:37:00 AM »

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Originally posted by UserName
Kill all muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40!

That's not what he is saying...change this to:

Search and question all Musilm males between the ages of 17 and 40 if they are attempting to board planes or trains.

Isn't that better than your suggestion?

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2003, 07:42:48 AM »

And your point is?

I could do a similar list on the excesses of Christian nutjobs (male between age of 17 and 40) over the last 30 years.

Jesus, I could give you ten right now from Northern Ireland alone, including the murder of women and children by a Catholic Priest. Then there's the Balkan madness with clerics using the radio to incite people to ethnically cleanse their next door neighbours.

This is the point - every religion has its wackos and extremists. They use religion to push their cultural/territorial agendas while often completely perverting the religion itself.

In the case of Islam, the books of Hadith talk of many laws/rules on many issues within Islamic society. Within them are the rules concerning Jihad, or Holy 'struggle'. In terms of war, women and children are not to be harmed and neither should their crops and livestock.

To most moderate, Sunni Muslims (who make up by far and away the majority of Muslims) Jihad is the inner struggle, to resist temptation and lead a good and honourable life. To your Shiites, extremist nutcases etc it is seen as a method for Islamic expansionism. This difference of interpretation is a key fallacy of religion and it exists in Christianity alike.

hawk220 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2003, 07:47:12 AM »

"All those lads in all that time have barely made a scratch on the US death by handguns yearly total."

oh PULEEEEZE Mr H. there are SO many more things to get fired up over for causes of death than handguns. Where is your indignation over car accidents.. over SMOKING deaths.. over medical mistakes or heart disease .. all of which claim more by themselves than handguns do in the US.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2003, 08:07:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Mr.H
All those lads in all that time have barely made a scratch on the US death by handguns yearly total.

Yeah, and imagine the Doctors that have killed many more than handguns!:eek:

Curval · « **Reply #9 on:** January 06, 2003, 08:27:51 AM »

Dowding,

Ireland and the Balkans were localised conflicts.

The Musilm nutjobs have declared war on the west..the whole of the west. This includes the US, Great Britain and even my little island (we lost two people from here on 9/11 - on a percentage of population basis this is the highest casulaty rate in the world in fact.) So, in order to prtect ourselves, in our home lands, it only makes sense to profile Musilms.

I'm sorry if this offends your sensibilities, or the sensibilities of the peaceful brands of Islam...but it is a matter of self presevation.

If any of my family or friends are hurt or killed by these nutjobs because racial profiling was NOT performed when it should have been I will be extremley pissed off with you liberal whiners who claim that the concept of profiling is "unfair". I just don't care how unfair it is. How would you feel if your family was killed by one of them? Would you still be here waving your liberal flag and claiming that we shouldn't profile potential terrorists. I think not...I think you would change your "tune" rather quickly.

Perhaps Islam should police itself...but, until it does I say "profile the hell out of 'em."

...and by the way, if white males between the ages of 17 and 40 were planting bombs around the world and threatened the peace-loving Musilms I would not be offended in the slightest if I was in a Musilm country and was profiled. They would be only doing what makes sense.

Thrawn · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2003, 08:30:02 AM »

It has been proven that racial profiling is a faulty system for security as it leaves gaps that can be exploited. Random searches are more effective.

Basically, you have terrorist observe the system. Terrorists see that the system is racially profiling. Terrorists use a guy that looks western, system is defeated, people die.

hawk220 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2003, 08:33:59 AM »

good job on the chart, Ripman!

Curval · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2003, 08:37:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
It has been proven that racial profiling is a faulty system for security as it leaves gaps that can be exploited. Random searches are more effective.

Basically, you have terrorist observe the system. Terrorists see that the system is racially profiling. Terrorists use a guy that looks western, system is defeated, people die.

Yea...like the shoe bomber case...gee that guy didn't look like he was a nutjob. I watched an interview with the large black man who held down the nutjob for the rest of that flight.

You know what Thrawn? The black guy was searched "randomly". The shoe bomber wasn't even questioned.

I think profiling would work better, sorry.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2003, 08:47:44 AM »

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Ireland and the Balkans were localised conflicts.

That in no way negates the fact that nutjobs are not exclusive to Islam. In fact, it is irrelevant to my point.

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If any of my family or friends are hurt or killed by these nutjobs because racial profiling was NOT performed when it should have been I will be extremley pissed off with you liberal whiners who claim that the concept of profiling is "unfair". I just don't care how unfair it is. How would you feel if your family was killed by one of them? Would you still be here waving your liberal flag and claiming that we shouldn't profile potential terrorists. I think not...I think you would change your "tune" rather quickly.

A moot point, since neither of us has lost family members to terrorism of any kind and no-one can truly judge how they would react to such a situation.

Gunthr · « **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2003, 08:48:11 AM »

Dowding: "This is the point - every religion has its wackos and extremists"
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Why is it that so many more violent extremists seem to be Muslims? Am I just imagining this? Explain please, Dowding.

Thrawn: "It has been proven that racial profiling is a faulty system for security as it leaves gaps that can be exploited. Random searches are more effective."

Would you please provide the source?