Author Topic: HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month (Read 7770 times)

moose · « **Reply #90 on:** January 09, 2003, 12:35:50 PM »

actually, i dont care for wwiiol, but i found little wrong with hatch's post.

hell, this is the oclub. "Open forum for off-topic and less serious discussions."

some of you guys *do* have some sort of complex.

however i find it amusing that hardcase is chasing ripsnort in terms of messages posted about wwiiol. he's a bigger fanboi then anyone is for AH.

hardcase · « **Reply #91 on:** January 09, 2003, 12:40:52 PM »

Those testiomonial?..remember what i said about ppl being full of crap? Just read a post form Sabe with a celeron oc to 533

didn't think I could get that high an FPS with my system even if Killer hooked a tow rope to me and pulled real hard with his system!

Ok, shall I explain all of this to everyone? Or does anyone care how I made that high with a Celeron 500(Mendocino chip)

Well first I will say, that this is a little decieving, as the 43+ FPS is a zoom from gunsight at the ground...

But what honestly surprised me even more is I could look down on a city (Rethel) and get a 19+ FPS

He flew on a oc 500 celery, not well, but he flew and got a kill.

If ppl are willing to say spend a minuete working in Settings and have a computer with up to date drivers, including mobos(installing the 4n1 lastest bumped even my fps up) you can get godd fps with a good machine.

HC

hardcase · « **Reply #92 on:** January 09, 2003, 12:49:35 PM »

Fanbois? You don't know the meaning.

I usually post doing tech support, correcting some misconceptions,pointing possibilities to those who wanted to play but didnt have a good time their first time in. You would be surprised how many quiet ppl in AH are trying out ww2ol. As long as I can get their FPS up to the max possible, and help them understand radios and getting to fights, then my work is worth all the little attempts at trying to control this forum from the self appointed folks trying to run it.

Ode, they probably will never show you anthing, most of us have moved on.

Every barb at me is a bump

HC

Vulcan · « **Reply #93 on:** January 09, 2003, 01:31:45 PM »

Well actually no HC. The standalone game has to complete the AI work. Which means it has far more to do and calculate (AI Behaviours, even if much of it is scripted).

The only difference is the networking side of it, in that ww2ol is a client to a big hard coded server. 32 player? In reality ww2ol is only 64 player, this is all the client can handle (same with AH). And you can balance that out by the fact the ww2ol has to do no AI routines for inf tanks etc.

What makes ww2ol different is the big arse server and its software.

So talking FE's, OFP has better graphics, animation, lighting and weather effects, on a similar level with WW2OL, yet does it on far less hardware.

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Originally posted by hardcase
Vulcan where do you get these ideas? I think ww2ol is a tad more complex than any standalone, 32 player game.

BTW he told you he gets 40-70 is heavy dogfights.

-dead- · « **Reply #94 on:** January 09, 2003, 02:11:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Hatch
Dont worry, Doc and I pester them regularly about finishing the FM, the missing damage components, and the object biasing on a regular basis... I dont like waiting for it either, but hopefully not too much longer...

That's great! Do let us know when you finally get ww2ol out of beta!

RangerBob · « **Reply #95 on:** January 09, 2003, 02:48:08 PM »

It appears they've hit a real nerve here. Stirred up a hornets nest or something.

After numerous posts about wwii online on this board, some quite incorrect, Hatch comes in to post what they are doing, and everyone jumps all over him. I'm sure if Hitech feels offended he will privately let Hatch know, and that will be that.

As for me, well I do enjoy both sims, or games as some would call them, but I have become a bit bored with Aces High for the moment. I've been around Aces High since it's very first beta days, and as a loyal customer I have no plans to leave. Like many others I find it more or less interesting from time to time. I'm hoping for some new update changes that will lure my interests back. The fact that I also enjoy wwii does not make me, or should I say us, enemies of Aces High.

As for my previous post concerning frame rates on wwii, I reported my lowest frame rates, in the most heavily fought air battles, over the largest cities, with numerous ground troops, at the lowest altitude, with the most ground graphics and troops competing for computer time. My typical frame rates in wwii are between80 and 120. I only posted my frame rates as a response to those who believed that it is impossible to obtain good frame rates in wwii online.

Like some of the others who have posted here, I did some adjusting to my computer, prior to obtaining more ram, to achieve good frame rates in that graphic intensive game. I set up a number of boot up choices. In one boot choice called online gaming I turned off a number of services that are just not needed, chose specific parameters to run the game with that met my needs, adjusted my virtual memory, and made other changes to obtain good frame rates with a 750mhz P3 computer. I continued when I upgraded to a new computer. Now that I have 1 gig of ram I really don't need to adjust anything, but I still do.

As noted on these boards, there are some who prefer one type of system over the other. This does not automatically make them enemies of each other. I find it equally disturbing when I notice similar anti Aces High posts over on the wwii boards. Everyone needs to keep more of an open mind. Many of us enjoy both sims.

Just some thoughts,

Ranger Bob

Kieran · « **Reply #96 on:** January 09, 2003, 03:05:02 PM »

Let's get something straight...

This was posted originally in the General Discussion area- not a great idea, but it was an AH player that did it. The point of the thread was to surface issues the player felt were worthy of incorporation into AH.

Hatch popped in with what can fairly be described as a thinly-veiled commercial.

Creamo rebuts.

The thread is moved to OT.

A few more (myself included) point out the erroneous nature of Hatch's "whut'd I do?!" post.

HC popped in to say "look at me!" again.

But... if you don't see the problem with the developer of another company's product popping into a general forum thread and advertising, I suppose you couldn't understand the issue. Aside from the fact it was kinda like a streaker running through a Coke commercial wearing a "Drink Pepsi" hat on, it was going to wind up a flame war. Common sense should tell anyone that, especially someone from another company whose stated position is P.R. You'd just have to assume anyone with P.R. experience would have more common sense. I felt Hatch was very disingenuous, but it isn't the first time I've felt that way. This is underscored by the fact CRS doesn't allow people without accounts to post on their boards because... it causes flame wars.

Kinda puts things into a different light, doesn't it?

Suave · « **Reply #97 on:** January 09, 2003, 03:10:04 PM »

We know wwiionline exists, as well as many other better games and sims, and we know where to go to find reviews and information.

It bothers me because he doesn't even play AH, he just stays over on our bb shamelessly promoting wwIIonline like a damn telemarketer. Very bad manners .

Vulcan · « **Reply #98 on:** January 09, 2003, 03:11:14 PM »

My fault, I really am interested in promoting an attrition system of some sort in AH. Couldn't resist a little prod in ww2ol's direction so the fanbois didn't get a big head over it

I personally don't find anything to worrying about Hatch's post, however I do find it amusing he jumped into what was rapidly developing into a flame fest yet failed to reply to a thread like this:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74478 which I think would've been more appopriate.

Charon · « **Reply #99 on:** January 09, 2003, 03:17:28 PM »

When you give me my free two week trial I might give it a try. I was sooo gung ho to run out and buy WW2OL when it came out. But... well, I had been burned a few too many times by patchware [perhaps the term "hatchware" applies here?] and actually had some willpower for a change. The day of the launch I checked the boards and was glad I did. Given all the promises, I expected WW2OL to be worried more in 2003 about which new war theater to introduce next rather than ironing out the last of the inital bugs from the launch. Hardly confidence inspiring. Given the rate of progress between HTC and CRS in this time period, I almost expect we'll have the full theater conflict in place here before WW2OL lives up to its dream. BTW HC, you noted earlier:

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No, non members cannot post to ww2ol forums. The first 6 months of vitriolic ranting and spamming of the Chat Forum caused that. Quite a few ppl here play both sims and they could post anything, anytime about AH that they wish. You find my post offensive?

I was watching the boards pretty closely during this time, hoping that it was just a few small glitchs (except for the many promised features that were just plain absent). It seemed to me it was pissed off customers who were doing all the complaining. Again, I'm glad I wasn't one of those and have no intention of being one until I can see for myself that you deserve my business.

Charon

hardcase · « **Reply #100 on:** January 09, 2003, 07:15:07 PM »

Pissed off customers? We reading the same board? Community Forum? Most simply need some tech suppurt which we give. The last complaints were about the panhard and wing fires which were fixed this last patch. More theatres will come. You waiting to fly the uber planes? The 1941 vehicle set is being worked on. Since I just burned my xp2100 chip I'll have to wait 3 working days to try it. I might pull my xp1600 out of mothballs.

HC popped up again .,....look at me...wheee

HC:cool:

Vulcan · « **Reply #101 on:** January 09, 2003, 08:04:17 PM »

In the Axis forum theres plenty, including Fishu. Not to mention those online. I found a mixture of newbies, most of whom would return to BF1942 (don't go there, I'm just relaying what I heard), then old farts who we're on the Welcome Back trial who just thought the game was a bugged PoS, and then there were quite a few who we'd qualify as LWeenies, who were less than impressed seeing Spits in France, let alone have Hurri IIC's turn up (oh and sick of PIVs being disabled by 520s).

Like here: http://www.okw.wwiionline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5192

Spending 2-3 weeks online A LOT means some of us do have a reasonable idea whats going on.

Having said that, and having said i was 50/50 on staying, and now the Pan bug is gone... I'm tempted, because I crave a MMPOG tank/inf sim. But the inf model still leaves me unsatisfied, specifically the rate of net updates (ie inf seem a little warpy), but those new models do look good.

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Originally posted by hardcase
Pissed off customers? We reading the same board? Community Forum? Most simply need some tech suppurt which we give. The last complaints were about the panhard and wing fires which were fixed this last patch. More theatres will come. You waiting to fly the uber planes? The 1941 vehicle set is being worked on. Since I just burned my xp2100 chip I'll have to wait 3 working days to try it. I might pull my xp1600 out of mothballs.

HC popped up again .,....look at me...wheee

HC:cool:

hardcase · « **Reply #102 on:** January 09, 2003, 08:47:48 PM »

We can have France capitualate or we can keep the euro map in place and have Hurri IIc and Spit V show up. Keeping wwii accuracy might be a chore. Then again..all we have is a great and growing map and new toys coming in soon. The last days of the Riech were fought on the same map that is being built for BoF. The only wild card is France has no new stuff once the Vichy began.

HC

Charon · « **Reply #103 on:** January 09, 2003, 08:55:19 PM »

If you bother to read your own post, you will see I was talking about the "vitriolic ranters" that you say required the change in the first 6 months of the board. I mean, when Straffo first said (making an obvious and pointed observation about your welcomed presence here):

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Can non-subscriber post in CRS forum ?

you countered in your next post:

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No, non members cannot post to ww2ol forums. The first 6 months of vitriolic ranting and spamming of the Chat Forum caused that. Quite a few ppl here play both sims and they could post anything, anytime about AH that they wish. You find my post offensive?

I remember, reading the WW2OL boards at the time to see if the POS was getting any better, that those "vitriolic ranters" were rightly pissed off customers who wondered WTF was up with them subsidising an alpha build with their money, that lacked more than half the features advertised on the box and was otherwise unplayable.

Frankly, the WW2OL launch goes down in history right next to Battlecruiser 3000AD. And if you don't appreciate being looked on in the same light as Derek Smart's great creation, you have only yourselves to blame.

Charon

hardcase · « **Reply #104 on:** January 09, 2003, 09:00:19 PM »

Yep the launch sucked. We had ppl try it, cancel it and continue to make forum miserable, spammed our chat room so that it became impossible to be a help. Those ex-customers can spamm Strat First now, since the publisher gets the lioin share of a release. As for my being welcome here, HT can close this anytime, until then I don't expect nor need a welcome to post here.If you want to continue to remember that you will miss a great sim.

HC