NOTHING AGAINST AW BUT......

[Rude]

This is really simple to understand...allow me.

We have a player, who through his own admission has only played AH, speaking to a large segment of the community, myself included (AWDOS), about something that he has no experience with or foundation from which to speak in the first place.

There....that was not that difficult was it?

Just ignore these sour posts and enjoy yourselves...the evolution of MMPG flight sims has been an enjoyable ride from which I've made many friends and hope to continue making friends as change will most certainly continue as well.

 

[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Rude ]

[Grimm]

Originally posted by hazed-:
IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

most of the people in AH have not played or even seen AW (myself included)
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

Boy, I think your wrong on this.  I would venture to say on most any given night, 2/3 of the pilots flying have flown AW at one time or another.  Sunday Night out of the 375 pilots flying, I could pick out about half myself.  Probably was many more that I didnt recognise.  

Perhaps thats nit picking, but I think you should realise the Huge Influx over the past couple of years from AW.  

Im Sorry the new guys are upsetting you. The Face of AH is changing rapidly.  There will be references of the old days of AW DOS forever.  History will always be there, and folks will always refer back to it.  Can you imagine flying AH without ever making references back to WWII.  Im afraid we all have to go with the flow.  

I think talk of AW will reduce alot by the first of the year.  Alot of talk will be of the Big Week Scenario.  That will become the hot topic probably.  Also I noticed the Huge amount of X-AWers flying in it.

Come on guys, This influx is going to be a good thing, believe me.

[Ripsnort]

Hazed, I find it very necessary to first do a .squelch 1 not because of the new AW players, but simply because the open buffer is just too damn busy these days.  I suggest that you might try the same, and it will help you enjoy the game!

More people in the game, more suggestions, more Events, is a GOOD thing for AH, not a bad one!

[midnight Target]

Strider,

You are right about channel 1. I am spoiled by the fact that I belong to a squad with roots in AW and a strong presence in AH for at least a year. I came over with trainers waiting for me to ask all the dweeb questions I could think of.

I still want to hear more about the "Stolen Kill" thing. I have been chastized by countrymen for shooting a plane that "was going down" and have heard other complaints about this issue. I say if its manouevering it ain't crashing, and I will shoot it. Too much individualistic crap causes these types of whines. The only problem with me shooting a "crashing" plane is I waste bullets. I would happily award your precious perk points that I stole.

<TGT> Nightmares VMF-898 (retired)

[Flossy]

Originally posted by hazed-:
IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

Well, I have been here for some time now due to the fact my squad moved here earlier this year, but I have also been continuing to play in AW at the same time.  

In my case, I have had time to get used to AH and it has helped to soften the blow of AW closing, even though I know it will break my heart when AW is finally gone.  However, in many cases, people made a conscious break from another sim to come here, which I think is entirely different.  It is one thing to come to another game because you want to  - quite another if it's a case of having to find another game because the current one is ending.

Just imagine for a minute if AH was the only sim you had ever flown, and you had been playing for several years.... then it suddenly ended, with hardly any warning - how would you feel?

Instead of giving the incoming Air Warriors a hard time, why not be pleased that they picked AH to come to at this sad time, and make them feel welcome?  I feel as though I am caught in the middle a bit here, having been here a while, but knowing what it is like for those who are arriving now.

Instead of whining about the countless questions, why not invest a bit of time helping them to find their feet (or their wings! <g> ) and make their integration into this community a little easier?  Given a little time and patience, we can all eventually merge into one new community - but it isn't going to happen overnight!

Lets please just end this now and concentrate on working together to form a new, merged community we can all be proud of!  

[Apache]

Lets please just end this now and concentrate on working together to form a new, merged community we can all be proud of!

Agreed. Nice response Flossy.

[Dinger]

Uhh... Disagree guys.  Hazed's point that most of the people in AH haven't ever played AW is probably right.  That doesn't mean that there is a significant percentage of AWDOS veterans or what have you.

Read what Hazed had to say there again.  He's not saying "don't be proud of your origins".  He's not even saying "don't ever offer criticism".
His point can probably best be rephrased in this way:
people coming from AW right now need to know that the AH community has existed for two years and that it has its own rules, different from AW, WB, FA or any other MMP sim.  Many of the conventions are the same, but:
A. Every observation, "It needs to be like AW in these ways", has been made 1000 times before these newbies got here.
B. Just as there is a new flight model to learn, there are new norms of community behavior.  Take the time to learn what they are; don't just assume it's AW all over again.
C. For the moment, shut up and fly.

---
I'll add to this:
Without doubt, the community is neither monolithic nor static, and the large influx of new players will certainly shape the game in new and exciting ways.  I don't have a problem with this.
What I do find disturbing are the arguments,
1) "Well, HT and Pyro came from AirWarrior, so this game is effectively AirWarrior".
Uh no.  HT and Pyro have never forgotten their origins, but if they were so content with AirWarrior or WarBirds, AH would not exist.  Saying the game has debts to another is different from saying that the game is simply an extension of another.
2) "If you don't like the way channel 1 discussion has gone, you can always squelch."  Yeah, and if I don't like the fact that my neighbor keeps me up till 4 AM with drunken parties ending in shootouts, I can always move.  Channel 1 (and 2 for that matter) is a shared space, and by the logic that one can always opt out of the community, these channels should be reserved for obscenities only.  Maybe we can have HT tie in the pornolizer to the open channels.

Newbies always take some time to get socialized.  Right now AH has seen an unprecedented amount of newbies -- something on the order of six or seven hundred by my inexact reckoning -- and these are newbies who fly all the time.  We will take some time to absorb the shock.

I'd say the overwhelming majority of "AW Refugees" have figured this out, and it's an honor to fly with them.  The others need time, and a hard time doesn't hurt (that much).
You will always be ex-AW pilots.  But that doesn't mean you can't take part in AH.

[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Dinger ]

[Dowding]

I agree with Hazed (third time ever?  ) and Dinger.

Welcome to AH, but leave the AW stuff in the O-club like the WB stuff or WW2OL stuff etc etc etc...

[DoKtor GonZo]

aIR wARRIER rOOLZ!!!!

    -DoK

PS/  

[J_A_B]

Hazed--

Grow up!

What other players choose to talk about is not your concern.  You need not pay attention or reply.

Don't like AW?  Tough.  Enough people here DO like it to make it a worthy conversation topic.  You need to become mature enough to ignore things you're uninterested in, rather than whine about it.

J_A_B

[Gypsy Baron]

Originally posted by hazed-:

-SNIP-
Im just asking them to tone down for a while.Guess its a mute request.

-SNIP-[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

   "moot"

 Well, some of "us" have been together for the
 better part of 9-10 years, in the arenas
 of AW and in the broader realm of the community.

 We ARE who we ARE and the way we act/inter-act with
 each other or others that are ALSO "gud at
 FliGhT Simz" isn't going to change much.
 Certainly not overnight.

 And we too, are not real pleased with the way
 OUR game "changed", so you'll not find a
 lot of sympathy from us for your "whine",
 such as it is.

[Gypsy Baron]

Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
aIR wARRIER rOOLZ!!!!

    -DoK

PS/    

 "RuLZ"

  Hiya DoK  

[SB]

Time to drag out another history lesson.

Way back in 92-93 AW SVGA was introduced and the community of AW pilots lamented on the fact that 10,000 new dweebs that would be screwing up the arena. Some left, some stayed and all was right with the world after a while.

95 or so AW went live on AOL and now there were the 10,000,000 dweebs that would be ruining the game. Some left, some stayed and all was good after it settled out.

AH is now having it's version of the 10,000 dweebs showing up. Lots of new targets and egos to integrate into the community. It's part of growing and AH needs to grow to continue to survive. Some will leave because it's not the same game it was when they joined up. Most will stay and help the community to grow and florish.

The difference from the AW 10k dweebs and the AH 10k dweebs is that there is an existing community merging into the AH one. Before there was only assimilation. It will be painful, fun, hilarious, tragic, but most of all interesting. Hang in there, it's gonna be one hella of a ride.

[Staga]

All we need is a permanent squelch-list.

[SOB]

What that SB dweeb said.


SOB