NOTHING AGAINST AW BUT......

[Kweassa]

I do admit Hazed was a bit extreme in his bit, it may even sound hostile to ex-AWers despite the title "Nothing against..". But some of his points are valid, as much as the points of other AWers are valid, too.

 All I usually squelch is channel 6, but the past week I must admit I've been squelching ch. 1 a LOT. We all have seen incidences where one or two individuals, or a squad from other games come into AH. Usually there isn't much trouble, and they fit into AH quickly.

 But never has there been something quite like this, at least, to the extent of my experience. A whole community just made their Exodus into another different community, and golly, troubles are bound to be found.

 As someone mentioned, we all realize that this must be a 'process of grieving' and a 'process of fitting in', but as I've seen people come in with friendly and respective attitude, I've seen as much people with distasteful and cranky attitudes.. endless whines, remarks, comments, neglecting existing 'AH rules and tendencies' whatsoever etc etc.. and it is getting on people's nerves   . (It's like, suddenly, there are FDBs surrounding us!   )

 Imagine this. We are living in a nice neighborhood, and it is not strange to see people move in every now and then. Then suddenly, there are hoardes of people that just settled in this neighborhood in a single day. They are unfamiliar with what this neighborhood was like, unfamiliar with its customs, unfamiliar with how things go around here. Most people are sensible here, and know a lot better than to shout 'foreigners out' crap   , but still it is disturbing to see how a gigantic, strange factor now lies within where you once lived.

 This 'exodus' has caused lots of troubles. It's like we are Palestine people facing a huge Israeli community that just sprang next to us. Same origins but different customs, different beliefs and different visions.

 It's our own version of 'Middle East' here, and perchance, we'll find a better way to solve things in our virtual AH community WAY better than how people in the real Middle East has solved things.
 
 AH guys, please, let's give it a bit of more tolerance than we usually would..

 and Ex-AWers.. please, refrain a bit. Settle down, look here and there, try to fit in and see how things work out.. Do try to be careful and calm about comments and remarks unless if there is something that is SO different from AW that without commenting about it you feel like you are going to die or something..

 Lot of AWers who came into Rooks are now fitting in.. and most of the times I enjoy their presence. Let's keep it this way..
 
 Cheers.  

[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Kweassa ]

[Seeker]

Hazed,

I'd like to apologize to you AH'ers on behalf of the real AW comunity:  the FR fliers.

You're quite right that the tone of the arena has plummeted from the days of pure flight sim enthusiasts, such as Nath BDP, and one can only point to the recent tremendous influx of RR types such as Rotor and Ratbo.

You ought to think your self lucky AH doesn't have macros, they're known for it.

Nonetheless, we'll just have to put up with all these cluless and skillzless RR seals until something cheaper comes out, thus regaining AH's "most expensive on the market" tag and keeping all the RR fools out.

There's nothing else to be done, RR types will never learn to get to grips with a real flight model. If we're lucky, Hitech will fix the GV's and they'll see for themselves where they belong.

[Otter]

Originally posted by Seeker:
Hazed,

I'd like to apologize to you AH'ers on behalf of the real AW comunity:  the FR fliers.

You're quite right that the tone of the arena has plummeted from the days of pure flight sim enthusiasts, such as Nath BDP, and one can only point to the recent tremendous influx of RR types such as Rotor and Ratbo.

You ought to think your self lucky AH doesn't have macros, they're known for it.

Nonetheless, we'll just have to put up with all these cluless and skillzless RR seals until something cheaper comes out, thus regaining AH's "most expensive on the market" tag and keeping all the RR fools out.

There's nothing else to be done, RR types will never learn to get to grips with a real flight model. If we're lucky, Hitech will fix the GV's and they'll see for themselves where they belong.

"Hello operator Denmark Immigration Control Kurt Hanson please."

<ring ring>

"Hanson dist ist."

"Cousin Kurt! How's they hanging?"

 

[FT_Animal]

I think you may be viewing it in a narrow way. It's not like someone let the bus out in front of this place and 100s stormed. The AW folks are sort of trickling in. And each time someone comes through they probably have the same thing to say. Where is this, can we do that, have you ever tried...etc.

A lot of people like to be the big fish in the small pond and are affraid of becoming the small fish in a big ocean. The fact that they\we are not newbies to sims and commmunity intimidates some.

As was said above, whether you want to beleive it or not, there are more AWers here then you think and they have been here since it opened. Now their friends are arriving.

To stereotype or place a tag on AWers as this or that doesn't work either, the community is a melting pot. But as in WB, folks who have been simming for 10-15 years or more bring many good ideas. After they run through they're own ideas and you yours, I think you will see them begin to mesh into one AH idea. Re-think this in 6 months and see if you feel the same.

I don't expect you to accept change, but I would hope that you would consider that 100s of new pilots contributing everything they've learned to make this game even more fun should be a positive thing. Not to mention the extra easy targets as they learn the game and break old habits.

In flight sims the bigger the community the better, the growing pains of gettng there can be irritaing to some.

hang on bro, if nothing else it should be interesting to watch.

Want some popcorn>?? ;-)

Animal (FT)
Just 2 cents ;-)


 

Originally posted by hazed-:
I understand they are a pre established community but AH is MY community and I dont like the way its being changed.I welcome more players but not the full in the face approach that has changed the whole 'feel' of these boards and the game.

Im just asking them to tone down for a while.Guess its a mute request.

p.s i am not trying to annoy anyone, just trying to make them consider those that were already here and to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.

[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

[FT_Animal]

Spoken like a true elitest.

~A

 

Originally posted by Seeker:
Hazed,

I'd like to apologize to you AH'ers on behalf of the real AW comunity:  the FR fliers.

You're quite right that the tone of the arena has plummeted from the days of pure flight sim enthusiasts, such as Nath BDP, and one can only point to the recent tremendous influx of RR types such as Rotor and Ratbo.

You ought to think your self lucky AH doesn't have macros, they're known for it.

Nonetheless, we'll just have to put up with all these cluless and skillzless RR seals until something cheaper comes out, thus regaining AH's "most expensive on the market" tag and keeping all the RR fools out.

There's nothing else to be done, RR types will never learn to get to grips with a real flight model. If we're lucky, Hitech will fix the GV's and they'll see for themselves where they belong.

[Stiletto]

I hear you Hazed, and I'd probably feel the same way if our positions were reversed. But, like somebody mentioned above, I don't think what's happening here has ever happened before.


I've heard us called "refugees," and there's a lot of truth to that: we were  driven en masse from our virtual home, by overwhelming force. And it still feels strange - familiar and alien, both at the same time. Familiar because I fire up my engine and take off into the wild blue, just like I did "back home," and strange because the airplane doesn't feel "right," if ya follow me. And then I get into a furball and get my butt reamed, and suddenly feel like a dweeb, because the damned nose bounces all over the place and I can barely get a kill or two in a flight, much less land it. At the same time, I look around me and read the buffer, and I recognize every other name I see, so it feels like home, but then it doesn't.


Somebody else said that we're grieving, and I guess that's it, because we lost a world we had built. Some of us stuck it out until the bitter end, but it became so painful to log on to an arena with 9 people in it, that we realized it was time to move on.


So, here we are. While we grieve, we naturally talk about what we lost - it's a part of the process. The sooner we get it all out, the faster the healing, and the sooner you won't have to read this crap any more.

   

Stiletto

[SB]

Originally posted by hazed-:
jesus i said im sick of hearing about it not I dont want them in here.
its a simple DEMAND  
JUS' SHADDAP!!!    

I will when you will....hmmm guess that's never then  

-------E  <--- Clue rake for hazed-

Any subscriber to AH has the same rights to opinions and airing those opinions on the public boards as any other regardless of how long they have been sending HTC their money. Just because you're tired of hearing it and make a fuss about it will only generate more of it.

Hmmm or are you just a troll??  Either way the ratio of whines to noise increases geometrically.    

[texter]

Originally posted by SB:

Hmmm or are you just a troll??  Either way the ratio of whines to noise increases geometrically.    

psst! check seekers bait!

Tex
pretty sure stink baits been outlawed?

[Ratbo]

<scribble scribble>  You *will* pay for that you shameless hussy!!

-W

Originally posted by Seeker:
[QB]Hazed,

 and one can only point to the recent tremendous influx of RR types such as Rotor and Ratbo.

[Dinger]

Seeker, thanks for making me giggle.
Yup, refugees many of you are, involuntarily displaced.  The point is, this is not the old country, so don't expect AH to be like AW or to become like AW; and behavior that was acceptable over in AW isn't here, and vice versa. That doesn't mean that you can't be proud of yer AW heritage, or integrate elements from it into your play here.
And don't give us the historical origins crap.  AW lost its way long before AH was born.  Those seeking innovation, realism or gameplay left years ago; the latest wave includes many who clung to an idea and a community for 13 years.  It sucks, but that idea and that community are dead.  The people survive.

[ROC]

[ rant ]
Alrighty, quit your yaking and fight, let's have a party.

AW take Rooks
AH take Knits
WB/FA/otherredundentandworthlesssims take Bish

Looser goes to the training arena for a month  

Seriously,

AW community is much more than the game. I'm not going to apologize for the antics of my brethren,nor will I ask you to bear with us as we move in here, and other games.  Fact of the matter is AW is and has always been more of a social game than a Flite Simz.  We yak, smak and give flak, squelch it.

AW branched out beyond the text buffer and it's own sponsored message board, and out into the homes and servers of many people.

The whinng, bickering, banter that you see is part and parcel of what AW is, and if some of you get your head out of your bellybutton long enough, you will see AH does the same thing.  What you are not used to is the names on the text buffer.  My first impression when I came in what that the banter on open channell was childish drivel. Then, I recognized that is was the Same drivel I read at the old home, but since I knew the names in there, I tended to ignore it, considering the source.

After awhile, it all becomes white noise.  Damn shame too, cause some of the best times are simply sitting in the officer club and watching the text scroll with some fantastic wit.

In short, I'm not going to tell you to shut the hell up because I don't agree with your point.  You have as much of a right to be an ignorant anal retentive NIMBY as anyone.  That is, unless you tell me to shut up and try to keep me from excercising my right to be the same.  

I'll give the same argument I give to neighborhoods as they appeal our decision to develop the empty acreage across from their homes.  You don't want to loose the view?  Buy the ground and do what you want with it.  Otherwise, deal with it.  Don't squeak cause new players are coming in.  You don't like it, talk to HT about limiting further newcomers.  You don't like our approach or our style?  Squelch it.  Everyone that comes in here, comes for their own reasons, and will deal with the likes and dislikes in their own way.  Just as each of you did.

Air Warrior brings it's own community with it.  Like it or not, that's the way it is.  I personally don't care if the old AW community gells with the AH crowd or not.  It's simply not my concern.  I am having fun, seeing some great friends and making new ones.  Works for me, and that's all that matters.

I even have my old AirWarrior squelch macro revamped to include some new idiots.

Keep on griping, it's fun to watch. It also shows which buttons need to be pushed as I'm hovering over some dweeb looking for a way to distract them. [ /rant ]

[K West]

"Alrighty, quit your yaking and fight, let's  have a party.
AW take Rooks
AH take Knits
WB/FA/otherredundentandworthlesssims take Bish"

 Now THIS I like     I think it would be prudent to wait till the two week free trials are over first and HTC has received at least one months subscription first. At the same time the UBB needs to have the words 'gang' and 'bang' filtered out.  

 Westy

[DamnedBuzzard]

Originally posted by FT_Animal:
Spoken like a true elitest.

~A

 

Hail Seeker (secret elitist handshake)
Nice bait. You prefer a  floating or a sinking tip line with that?

[Dinger]

                      The whinng, bickering, banter that you see is part and parcel of what AW is, and if some of you
                       get your head out of your bellybutton long enough, you will see AH does the same thing. What you are
                       not used to is the names on the text buffer

AW is dead.  This isn't AW. Get over it.
Yes, every single Online game worth its monthly subscription has a community that's just as important.  Yes, there are similarities between the AW and AH communities.  But there are also distinct differences, and what we're seeing now are socialization problems.  We freely welcome new targets, and some of them can fly.  Just stop telling us your behavior is okay, because that's how it was done in the "old country".
Yeah, the US was founded by immigrants from all over, but we don't take our tea in the afternoon; we eat dinner.

[SB]

Originally posted by Dinger:
It sucks, but that idea and that community are dead.  The people survive.

There in lies the misconception that so many people have. The game is dead true but the AW community is not dead. If you really think the AW community is dead I invite you to go check out news.bigweek.org if you have a news reader or know how to configure one. As for the idea being dead, no it's not and AH proves that it's not. Kelton Flinn's idea for a graphical multiplayer flight simulation lives on in several areas.

The so called historical crap you refer to can be a valuable resource. I forgot who said "He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it" but it holds true here also. One example is do you know why we have a three country conflict in AH? That comes from the experiment in WB to make a four country war and the inbalances that happened there. HiTech thought the three country war gave more balance in the main arena. Also why is your default country colors green and both of the enemies red? A great idea to help eliminate the gangbangs that happened in AW and WB. The green comes from C-land in AW where HiTech spent his time. Useless facts I'm sure you didn't need to know but may give you some insite to why some things are the way they are.

I'll agree that a lot of the AW stuff is pure BS and you're making their day by setting that hook deep but can't the same be said for several people that have been with AH for the last two years?