NOTHING AGAINST AW BUT......

[hazed-]

IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

enough is enough, Please AW'ers remember most of the people in AH have not played or even seen AW (myself included) and the endless posts on it and arguements over whether AH or AW was the better sim are becoming utterly DULL.
AW has finished, you are in AH now so discuss AH and suggest what you would like changed by ALL MEANS but PLEASE dont start the F*$kin thread with AW had this or that therefore AH should introduce it.

over the last couple of weeks ive seen an increase in petty arguements, name calling , more my game is better than your game crap, kill stealing, lack of help when you can see friendlies around, 6 calls are even rarer!
The mood on line is changing and for the first time since i rejoined AH im getting annoyed in the MA with frustration from lack of team playing.

Please try to go with the flow of AH now X-AWers. throw in a few more <S> and stop using those handsomehunked alternative languages.The radio looks like an infants school(or is it INFANTZ SKOOLZ  ) playground arguement over a lost football.

  ok rant over

[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

[popeye]

Hazed, I have to admit to using .squelch quite a lot lately, but to be fair, the AW guys come from an established community of players who are naturally going to continue to relate as a community in their new surroundings.  Give them a while to be "assimilated" into AH, and become part of the new community that will evolve to include everyone.

[DamnedBuzzard]

Originally posted by hazed-:
[QB]IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

enough is enough, Please AW'ers remember most of the people in AH have not played or even seen AW (myself included)

Uh, not to start an argument or anything cause I'd never do that but.......I think you are seriously mistaken. A very high percentage of AH players started thier online sim lives in AW. I see folks here everyday that I haven't seen since AWDOS.

One might also note that no one is forced to read a thread they find objectionable or which doesn't interest them.

On the other hand, your post may be a troll rather than based on ignorance. If so , consider me hooked  

[Sky Viper]

As a former AW flyer with nearly 3 years in AH, I have to agree that there is a bit to much baggage being carried in.
I don't like this post though because it's just a whine about whining.

People have feelings and posts like this only make bad feelings worse.

hazed, if you want it to stop, then leave it alone.

Viper

[hazed-]

I understand they are a pre established community but AH is MY community and I dont like the way its being changed.I welcome more players but not the full in the face approach that has changed the whole 'feel' of these boards and the game.

Im just asking them to tone down for a while.Guess its a mute request.

p.s i am not trying to annoy anyone, just trying to make them consider those that were already here and to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.

[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

[Rude]

Heyas Buzzard...welcome to AH!

 

a.k.a. Ice 13th TAS

[Ratbo]

Originally posted by hazed-:
[QB]IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

> so discuss AH and suggest what you would like changed by ALL MEANS but PLEASE dont start the F*$kin thread with AW had this or that therefore AH should introduce it.

It's *our* frame of reference. Many ideas will be born outta AW "had this or that". It's only natural.

>
The mood on line is changing and for the first time since i rejoined AH im getting annoyed in the MA with frustration from lack of team playing.

Perhaps not every one *wants* to fight the never ending hamster wheel war in the MA.
Don't presume *you* can tell *other* people how to play a game. Many AW types look for 1v1's etc etc.. Personally I *do* like the war game - but I know better than to assume that everyone will play my way.

-W

[Wanker]

Actually, I can't blame the AW guys for feeling like that. I felt the same way when I left Warbirds after 4 years. But, after I was here awhile, I started to identify myself with AH, and realized it's ok to leave your first sim-love behind.

It's just a grieving process, Hazed. Give them time.

We're all AH brothers now, no matter where you originally came from.

[DamnedATC]

Hazed

The only difference I have noticed is more people in the arena.  There has always been the typical infighting in AH.  Every online game has it.  You can always squelch.  

BTW, the people that wrote the AH code are from Air Warrior.  If not for AW, Aces High and Warbirds may not have ever started.  Like it or not, Air Warrior started it all in 1989.  Lets welcome them to this game.  Both games have(had) the same amount of trouble makers.

ATC

[Serapis]

I played from 1993 until a few months ago(with a year off the 1st year of gamestorm)  myself and I'm sick of it also. AW is dead -- move on and worry about AH. Or at least keep it in the O Club (or better yet, over at BW).

AW was great at one time, and it had a tremendous history, but... IT WASN'T THE SAME GAME BY THE TIME IT DIED! At least for me, and I imagine a lot of people. I understand the sentimentality, I held on way to long, invested too much emotional energy worrying about a game (yes, in the end it is only a game) and payed for something for a year or more past where I should have let go. In the end, all AW offered (at least to me) was sentimentality and history and scenarios. AW is gone, and the sooner you all reach acceptance the better.

Charon
   

. Many AW types look for 1v1's etc etc..  

That's funny, most of those I encountered in the AW MA circa gamestorm/EA were looking to milkrun the strat, gangbang and dogfight B-17s. Man, that was sure different from when I first started playing SVGA DOS on Delphi.

I knew I was in trouble when I first upped in the Gamestorm MA after the year off, and chased a high P-51 through three grids. "Surely, he will drop down and kill me, come on, what's happening?" He reached an undefended field, went to divebomb some meaningless tratget and got killed by ack. The Big Pac had got into full swing, and the game was never the same after they got rid of the central, neutral cities concept.

[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Charon ]

[Sachs]

Coming from Fighter Ace I really did not know what to expect.  But having flown AH now for a year, this recent influx is hilarious.  The squeaking has increased like why does he have control over the CV cuz I wanted to take it out to sea and do practice take off's?  You can tell teh veteran pilots from the newbies in here that is for sure.  But the childish antics on Chan 1 has increased 10 fold, I normally don't pay attention to it, mainly country, squad, and whatever that purple channel is.  But the constant can I join you messages, and check 6's enroute are getting annoying.  I don't mind if they apologize but its the lol that piss me off.  To each their own, hazed has his comments and I respect them.  Flame away, or whatever it is that trips your trigger.  


 

[Sky Viper]

Originally posted by hazed-:
...but AH is MY community and I dont like the way its being changed.

There's your problem!

It happens to be OUR community, not YOURS alone.  
As in every close knit community, when a flood of Refugees walk into the neighborhood, things get disturbed.
Left to good intentions, things get better.
Try to remember that these Folks were loyal to a system that gave them the old boot in the ass.
Some of us saw it coming and moved out knowing our old neighbors would become new neighbors when the time came.  Well, the time is here.

I know you don't mean to annoy anyone, and neither do they. Just let them have their say and ignore any posts that contain words you don't like.
No one is forcing you to read their posts are they?  

Another thought for consideration:
If we don't take care of our neighbors and this community, then no matter what kind of candy HT throws us, things will not be fun.  

Viper

[midnight Target]

OK. I am guilty as charged as a former AW geek. I love AH and plan to make it my new home, but please allow me to bring in a few nick nacks and quirks to make it feel a little more homey.
One thing I would like to address is the "stolen kills". The damage model in AW was so much less sophisticated a pilot never knew when he had inflicted serious damage on the nme unless he started smoking. Additionally, if you smoked the bastage you almost always got credit for the kill, no matter who finished him (her). There was also much more emphasis (real or imagined) on killing the bad guys, than on "ME" killing the bad guys. If a countryman swoops in and gets a bead on an opponent you are fighting then so much the better. The nme is dead and you are not. I seem to be rambling here, but I just wanted to say I never kill an opponent to "steal a kill". I will always look for an opponent I have advantage over, or who is threatening a countryman. If we are competing for the same kill then cool, the sucker is more than likely dead. Now get out there and quit yer sniveling.
   

[Don]

Hazed:

Everybody has an opinion, and you have rendered yours. I think you are wrong on many counts but, since you never flew AW, then how could you understand.
AH is also my game now, and anyone else who flies AH can feel a sense of ownership as well. My origins are AW, and the community there was strong; comparisons are inevitable due to the recent migration. The thing is, you nor anyone else gets to tell anyone else how AWers or any other new person should feel and converse about the game.
The name calling didnt start a few weeks ago, on the part of some, there has been a sense of looking down noses on AW. Too bad, there were some good things about AW (except RR  
But, IMO you are outta line telling folks what they should say or not say. Further, the lack of team play hasn't got anything to do with AW transplants; it was here when I came over months ago, and is a problem. That is a function of the arena and how others choose to play; AW guys didnt do it or bring it over with them.
Take a chill pill pal. Change is inevitable. Help with the change rather than complain and ridicule.

[Don]

Tahgut:

I have seen things I dont care for in here same as I did in AW. I learned there as in here, I need to simply avoid situations I dont care for. Part of an AWers transition will be learning a different way of flien and dien.
There are annoying things about the game, and way too verbal guys who complain. Hehe, I personally know of several former AWers who have been here for a while who were notorious whiners at AW and are doing the same in AH.
But, what I've been hearing over ch1 and 2 have been legitimate confusion about what does what and why; eg, "how do I gun on a CV?", or how do I start the engine on a PT boat?"  "I keep getting an invalid weapons error message, what do I do?"  "I'm getting frustrated now, I tried everything and still get, invalid weapons message".
Patience? Yes, by all means. Why? Because it's the right thing to do. Where else is an FNG gonna get info about how the game works if he/she doesn't ask people who know how?