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Offline MrLars

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« on: January 10, 2003, 03:15:35 PM »
Just posted by Hotseat...

http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14862


Not under NDA? Could get interesting.

Although I've never flown there, I hope things workout OK for the players still there.

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2003, 03:20:45 PM »
Wow, warbirds had been a part of my life for 5 years or so and I look upon it fondly. Would be interesting to see what HS does, always liked his attitude.

Time will tell.

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2003, 03:24:30 PM »
More than HS leaving, if his post is accurate.

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2003, 03:26:24 PM »
yeah i caught that too Kieran

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2003, 03:29:57 PM »
yup.   I think it's time may have come.

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2003, 03:32:10 PM »
In another thread I got the impression 'others' would include 'Iceman'. Looks like Wild Bill will get his wish of killing Warbirds despite the line of cheerleaders who think he can do no wrong.

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2003, 03:39:36 PM »
revvin do you have the link for that thread?

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2003, 03:41:07 PM »
I'd suggest caution in predicting the demise of WB just yet.

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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2003, 04:57:14 PM »
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I'd suggest caution in predicting the demise of WB just yet.


WB is like Boris the Blade from Snatch.

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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2003, 05:02:03 PM »
Brand loyalty is an amazing phenomenon.

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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2003, 05:54:26 PM »
It's definitely bad news.  It seems ICEMAN will be leaving too.  It looks like "shit or get off the pot" time for WildBill and iEN.   Frankly, i don't trust him to develop WBIII into the game it can/should be.

Perhaps WildBill can get some people to replace HS and ICE and move ahead on coding and perhaps he will allow WBIII to be "modded" by the players.  If he does that, then things could get interesting.

Having said that, Warbirds,  and it's "Community",  is/was  like no other online game ever created.  You can disagree with that statement if you like and i'll just say you are full of s*** too or merely ignorant.   There will NEVER be another community like the one that was/is  Warbirds.  The unfortunate FACT is the game "Warbirds" was/is   badly managed by every cotton-pickin' owner who ever had the reins of this great game.  And that is a crying shame.

And i can tell you that most WB'ers are NOT interested in flying around in a "Mayhem Arena" packed with 600 players flying the Uber-Plane Du Jour.   We have been there and done that.   Most of us would rather quit online flight-sims altogether then repeat that old nonsense.  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

Perhaps Aces High can assume the mantle of the Warbird's Squadron Select Series and add Early War aircraft, make it's "Ground War" into something less arcadish, and move it's Graphics Engine up to today's standards.  That's what it would take of HTC to attract many of us long-time flight-simmers/WB'ers.

I wish SOME Game Developer would.  After all the "advancements" in PC gaming over the last half-dozen years, online flight-sims haven't really advanced much at all.  IL-2 looks good, flies bad, and has limited planeset/theaters, and is not really an "online" game.   WBIII looks good, flies pretty good,  has much potential for AI, "Strat", and WB's Events have no equal.   But it's management sucks, as it always has.  WWIIOL also has great potential, but it's "flying game" is severely limited and needs beacoup development to interest most WB'ers.

Can Aces High replace WBIII for all of us WB'ers??   The answer is:  "Not for most of us".    It's up to HTC to move Aces High to the "Next Level" to attract us serious simmers/fliers.   I imagine HTC doesn't think they need to bother what with the large player-base HTC now has.  And with less competition there is even less reason to invest the time and money to do so.  

If WB's "disappears" i would be more than happy to "pay a little more" for a greatly improved Aces High.  That's my challenge to HTC to attract players who feel as i do..........

P.S.

Funked, it's not about  "brand loyalty"  lt was always about the "Community" and personal preference in game design and direction.  Nobody gives a hoot who owns/develops the games.  It's the GAME that matters.............



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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2003, 06:03:54 PM »
FWIW Cabby, I don't see anyone posting the least bit of joy in the situation. Maybe I misread the posts.

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2003, 06:12:50 PM »
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Originally posted by Cabby44
It's definitely bad news.  It seems ICEMAN will be leaving too.  It looks like "shit or get off the pot" time for WildBill and iEN.   Frankly, i don't trust him to develop WBIII into the game it can/should be.

Perhaps WildBill can get some people to replace HS and ICE and move ahead on coding and perhaps he will allow WBIII to be "modded" by the players.  If he does that, then things could get interesting.

Having said that, Warbirds,  and it's "Community",  is/was  like no other online game ever created.  You can disagree with that statement if you like and i'll just say you are full of s*** too or merely ignorant.   There will NEVER be another community like the one that was/is  Warbirds.  The unfortunate FACT is the game "Warbirds" was/is   badly managed by every cotton-pickin' owner who ever had the reins of this great game.  And that is a crying shame.

And i can tell you that most WB'ers are NOT interested in flying around in a "Mayhem Arena" packed with 600 players flying the Uber-Plane Du Jour.   We have been there and done that.   Most of us would rather quit online flight-sims altogether then repeat that old nonsense.  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

Perhaps Aces High can assume the mantle of the Warbird's Squadron Select Series and add Early War aircraft, make it's "Ground War" into something less arcadish, and move it's Graphics Engine up to today's standards.  That's what it would take of HTC to attract many of us long-time flight-simmers/WB'ers.

I wish SOME Game Developer would.  After all the "advancements" in PC gaming over the last half-dozen years, online flight-sims haven't really advanced much at all.  IL-2 looks good, flies bad, and has limited planeset/theaters, and is not really an "online" game.   WBIII looks good, flies pretty good,  has much potential for AI, "Strat", and WB's Events have no equal.   But it's management sucks, as it always has.  WWIIOL also has great potential, but it's "flying game" is severely limited and needs beacoup development to interest most WB'ers.

Can Aces High replace WBIII for all of us WB'ers??   The answer is:  "Not for most of us".    It's up to HTC to move Aces High to the "Next Level" to attract us serious simmers/fliers.   I imagine HTC doesn't think they need to bother what with the large player-base HTC now has.  And with less competition there is even less reason to invest the time and money to do so.  

If WB's "disappears" i would be more than happy to "pay a little more" for a greatly improved Aces High.  That's my challenge to HTC to attract players who feel as i do..........

P.S.

Funked, it's not about  "brand loyalty"  lt was always about the "Community" and personal preference in game design and direction.  Nobody gives a hoot who owns/develops the games.  It's the GAME that matters.............



Cabby




 why should they try?  They already have 90% of the market and if WB dies they'll have 100% of the market.  Unless you count FA3.  I kinda do feel sorry for the mac guys though, poor bastards aint got no playground if/when WB augers....

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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2003, 06:16:25 PM »
What Kieran said.

Cabby:

"Boris the Blade" was a character who wouldn't die even though he should have been dead many times.  His other nickname was "Boris the Bullet-Dodger", and when he finally did die, it took a full clip of Desert Eagle .50 to finish him off.  

Just like WB with all the stock crashes, horrific quarterly reports, all the dev teams coming and going and all the mismanagement by bellybutton clowns like Wild Bill.  Somehow it stays alive, and invariably those who say it will die are wrong.

And brand loyalty is what keeps it alive.  

It's not the dev team, that has changed too many times.  They are now on the 4th generation.

It's not the software, that has also changed greatly many times.

And it's not the people in the community.  The last few times I've been in a WB3 arena I saw maybe 2 people I recognized from the olden days.  And a glance at AGW shows the bulk of the posters have "Registered" dates well after the original dev team broke up.  The old WB community is long gone, except for a few diehards like yourself.

The only continuous thing has been the WarBirds brand name, and for some reason it is enough of a draw to keep the thing afloat despite all the changes in every other aspect of the product and player community.  The phenomenon of brand loyalty.
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