Perk Planes?? Is this becoming Air warrior Relaxed Realism???

[chisel]

You do realize that "Mid war" was in reality 42/43 right Lazs.  

[Hajo]

No matter what decision is made there are always going to be people that are not satisfied, fact of life.  at least if late war craft are going to be introduced, let them be available for all.  As Lazs stated, and someone before, no matter what, the "newbie" is going to have a steep learning curve if he's never participated in on-line FR flight sims.  Why make something available to so some and not others?  I'll get my perk points to earn the craft, but if I in engage an enemy craft inferior in performance, I have that advantage without being higher etc.  Then I find out that the enemy is quite new, and even if I've upped in a Sopwith Camel there was a good chance I would have beaten him anyway because of his/her unfamiliarity with FR FM,and the performance of his/her craft.  First impressions are lasting ones, I also understand that it takes time to learn FM etc.  I took my lumps as did everyone else without "perk" planes.  I persisted in getting up and improving.  The challenge was the key.  Even now I don't care about getting shot down.  I've been flying online sims for quite a few years, and learned that rankings and points aren't the key.  Enjoying oneself is the key!  Why would anyone pay 30 dollars not to enjoy themselves?  A new person flying AH during that 2 weeks is going to form an impression.  As the two weeks rolls along he/she will learn and experience online flight sims.  If within that 2 week period he/she does not enjoy him/herself they won't pay the 30 dollars!  Simple!  I'm not saying lets make it easier.  I'm saying in aircraft, let's keep the playing field as it is.  Tilting it even more so in favor of the seasoned player is not going to bring in the newer ones once they find out that some of the planes they are flying against give them little chance of success against the "seasoned" player in that perk plane.


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[Tyro48]

Correctamundo Hajo! HTC drives off the newbies and AH goes down the tubes in a slow death! Simple common business sense you must keep refreshing  the customer base, make the game a piss-off and few will stay, perks will supply that piss-off.

[AKDejaVu]

 

Have you played 1.05 recently? Nothing but F4us and spits, because they are perceived to be the strongest planes.

Have you played 1.05 recently dowding?  The Spit is like 8th on the usage list.  Admit it.. you just threw it in there because you like the idea of a British plane being considered strong

BTW.. the is being out-used by 2 land-only aircraft... and virtually all of the carrier based aircraft (and pt boats).

AKDejaVu

[Westy]

"Enlighten us Westy! Be succinct!"

 After reading your posts for just a couple of days I'm quite sure I'd be wasting my breath.

 Like I've said. There's always AW, FA and Crimson Skies for those who find AH too much of a challenge. Be it flying skills online or understanding what HTC's plan is.

  -Westy

[PakRat]

Oh God! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The end is near! Repent HTC! Repent!

Jesus. You guys should listen to yourselves.

Bunch of twisted panty 3 year old girls if I ever saw them. You all on the rag or something?

You guys are ridiculous and I hope to hell HTC discounts all this crap just because it is so ill-considered.

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[Mayhem]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Hajo,
Where did you get the idea that HTC is going to introduce aircraft with "unrealistic" flight models?

The idea is that we are using reasonably accurate simulations of WWII hardware in a massively multiplayer online game.  We are not re-fighting WWII.

In the context of the game it would not be possible to introduce aircraft like the Spitfire F.MkXIV, F4U-4, Ta152, A7M2 or Tempest, let alone an Me262a or Me163 without making things like the Spitfire MkIX, F4U-1D, Fw190A-8, A6M5b and Typhoon pointless, let alone older stuff, without a control mechanism.  The perk system is that mechanism.

Further, HTC can set the perk price wherever it needs to be to keep the best players from constantly tooling around in Me262s.

You can have realistic equipment without redoing WWII.

A7M2 ... isn't that japans shinden fighter (no not shiden .. shinden). a rear prop driven aircraft with a kanard. It never saw flight infact I don't think it ever got past the desighn phase, so not one was ever built. I could be wrong I could have this mixed up with say japans version of the me262 (looks almost the same they made two one flew, none saw combat). again I could be wrong and Iam to dam lazy to look it up.

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Westy]

 I've not seen HTC ever mention adding prototypes or "one offs." Everything I've read as been an actual production aircraft (see aircraft forumn). Combat or not has never been a deciding factor.  Most likely due to the circumstances of the air combat in late 44 and into 1945.

-Westy

[Hajo]

westy, I understand completly what you are saying believe me.  No special aircraft etc. My point is simply this, it could very well discourage someone on a two week trial basis from signing up simply on the basis that he/she does not have an equal playing field.  He won't be able to select the craft that is killing him on a regular basis,he'll ask why, be told he has to accumulate the points to be able to select that aircraft,figure out that he won't have the points possibly within the two week period, maybe even the length of a campaign.  It will not encourage new users , which are needed to keep AH going in the future to stay and pay their 30 dollars like the rest of us.  I could care less personally, I'll fly what I want, but by tilting the playing field against even more so the newbies, I can't see any benefit in "perking" but to those who will use it.  and believe me contrary to what is said, like vulching, the perk planes will be in the air when available <G>  Easy points the norm.

[Pongo]

Man they sure are making newbies from soft cheese these days if a little challange scares em off.
Has there been a single decision made by HTC in the last year that some idiot hasnt spouted off for 60 pages about how it would drive off the newbies.
What a bunch of crap.
Thin skinned newbies that cant take a challenge will not last no matter what you do.

[Westy]

 I understand what you're saying Hajo. But a newbies impression of AH, and where it might be heading,  could also be skewed if he/she came in here and started reading these forumns and seeing people say things like "Is AH becoming AW RR???"
 
 Pongo kind of hit the nail on the head. And with that in mind I'm going to take a break from these boards. I'm not doing anyone any good and it's agravating the hell out of me to boot.

 <S> and see ya in the air........

  - Westy

[Hajo]

Westy me also bud, was just adding food for thought.  I am concerned naturally about my favorite flight sim, and I do wish to point out other views.  If and when Perk planes are added, I'll still be here <G>  What the hell, where else could I suffer this abuse <G>

Cya up
Hajo

[Karnak]

Mayhem,
The A7M was Jiro Horikoshi's successor to the A6M.  It was a conventional looking fighter that when we tested it after the war we were very impressed with.

 
 

Mitsubishi 'Sam' A7M Reppu
(Japan)
This replacement for the venerable A6M was delayed by lack of interest, a disagreement between designer and customer concerning the choice of engine, an earthquake, the breakdown of the Japanese industry, and the bombing of the factories. Only ten were built.

Type: A7M2
Function: fighter
Year: 1945 Crew: 1 Engines: 1 * 1620kW Mitsubishi MK9A
Wing Span: 14.00m Length: 11.00m Height: 4.28m Wing Area: 30.86m2
Empty Weight: 3226kg Max.Weight:
Speed: 627km/h Ceiling: 10900m Range: 1160km
Armament: 4*g20mm 2*b250kg


I was being optimistic and giving the Japanese an extreme aircraft as well.

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-Karnak

[Mayhem]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Mayhem,
The A7M was Jiro Horikoshi's successor to the A6M.  It was a conventional looking fighter that when we tested it after the war we were very impressed with.

   
   

Mitsubishi 'Sam' A7M Reppu
(Japan)
This replacement for the venerable A6M was delayed by lack of interest, a disagreement between designer and customer concerning the choice of engine, an earthquake, the breakdown of the Japanese industry, and the bombing of the factories. Only ten were built.

Type: A7M2
Function: fighter
Year: 1945 Crew: 1 Engines: 1 * 1620kW Mitsubishi MK9A
Wing Span: 14.00m Length: 11.00m Height: 4.28m Wing Area: 30.86m2
Empty Weight: 3226kg Max.Weight:
Speed: 627km/h Ceiling: 10900m Range: 1160km
Armament: 4*g20mm 2*b250kg


I was being optimistic and giving the Japanese an extreme aircraft as well.

Thanks Karnac didn't know that.

[SuperD]

Mayhem, this is your Japanese rear propeller plane with canards:

J7W "Shinden"
IJN 18"shi" Experimental Interceptor

   

   

I got these pictures from this website about Imperial Japanese Naval Aircraft. http://home.interlink.or.jp/~katoh00/kaigun/k-frame.html

SuperD
Dickweed Heavy Bomber Group

G8N."Renzan"(Rita)
IJNHeavy Ground Attack Bomber "Renzan"
 

G5N."Shinzan"(Litz)
IJNHeavy Ground Attack Bomber "Shinzan"
 
Imperial Japanese Naval Airplanes

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