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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #75 on: January 16, 2003, 12:48:49 PM »
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StSanta most of the negative responses to weazel are not "What" he says but "How" he says them.


Nah, it's both.
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« Reply #76 on: January 16, 2003, 01:02:27 PM »
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I'm an unpatriotic mentally ill piece of toejam who should leave America.
 


First thing you have ever said that I agree 100% with. Just stay the he** away from Sweden.
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Thanks for making my point Stevo
« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2003, 01:06:45 PM »
If you so called "conservatives" are anything it's predictable.:p
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The Pledge
« Reply #78 on: January 16, 2003, 02:53:28 PM »
Well, well. This topic has reached this band of highly "Patriotic folks". Listen. Patriotism is voluntary or it's just so much BS. Gimme a troop that's POed at his country, and is willing to Fight for it to make it better evertime. Keep the Pansy no rifle carrying warmongering All TALK Conservative Ultra Christian Fat Bodies in their little cubicles. If I choose to say it I will, If I choose not to I won't. That's Freedom!
This Kid was probably the only kid in the class that read, and Understood the constitution. That teacher needs to be FIRED!
Forcing Children to recite a pledge (written by a Communist By the way, Look it up) Is Fascist.
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« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2003, 03:00:24 PM »
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This Kid was probably the only kid in the class that read, and Understood the constitution. That teacher needs to be FIRED!
Forcing Children to recite a pledge (written by a Communist By the way, Look it up) Is Fascist.


No where in the article did I read that anyone was forced to do anything except perhaps leave the classroom. Forcing a teenager to do anything they don't want to do, what an imagination.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2003, 03:03:27 PM »
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No where in the article did I read that anyone was forced to do anything except perhaps leave the classroom. Forcing a teenager to do anything they don't want to do, what an imagination.:rolleyes:


He was told to say it, or leave.  What is that?
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« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2003, 03:16:16 AM »
Hey weazel, come to Sweden. Or Denmark. You're most welcome. As is cabby.

Hortlund is just a closet conservative (it's not really allowed in Sweden you see, there you must be semi-socialistic with 'respect for the poor') and when he posts here, some of his frustrations about living in Sweden come out :).

Oh, no disrespect Hortlund. I realize that might sound sort of offensive. But I hope you get what I mean. I mean, social democrats always in power, always siding with 'the weak', PCness...express the views you have here to the average Swede and he'll look at you in the same way as the average Dne would (believe me, I know).

We could get cabby, weazel, me and you together in a room with nothing but fluffy pillows, leather g-string and 4-inch diameter poles. Would be fun.
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« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2003, 07:08:31 AM »
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He was told to say it, or leave.  What is that?


Even if that was the case I'd say he was given a choice, not forced to say it which he did not. However, it seems more likely that he was told to leave because of the disruption he created as the teacher said.
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« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2003, 11:18:57 AM »
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Even if that was the case I'd say he was given a choice, not forced to say it ...


Anybody else reminded of that old Cheech and Chong skit?

"You vill sign ze papers!!!"

"No! No! I cannot sign ze papers!"

"Sign ze papers!!" (whack whack)

"AAAAGGGGHH!!!! Please, I CANNOT SIGN ZE PAPERS!"

"And why can you not sign ze papers?"

"Because...(sob)...You have broken all my fingers!"

LOL c'mon, AKIron, are you saying civil rights come with the possibility of punitive action if you exercise those rights???
Then if that's the case why have civil rights at all?
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« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2003, 03:47:19 PM »
I won't concede that the kid wasn't being an bellybutton about it and was kicked outta class for that. However, for the sake of argument, what's punitive about being asked to leave the class during an activity with which he wanted no part? The little snot, no doubt liberal parents.


Just because you may have the constitutional right to be an bellybutton doesn't mean you have to exercise it and it certainly doesn't mean I have to smile and ignore it. (not speaking to any you in particular)
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« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2003, 04:49:30 PM »
Funny how people are all for America, its Constitution and Bill of Rights... until it gets uncomfortable.
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« Reply #86 on: January 17, 2003, 05:10:17 PM »
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for the sake of argument, what's punitive about being asked to leave the class during an activity with which he wanted no part?


Well, he is being isolated from his peers. He is being singled out for exercising this right and being ostercized by his teacher. His teacher is showing his disapproval of this kid's choice instead of doing his REAL duty, which is to uphold this child's rights according to the law regardless of his personal feelings on the subject.

Perhaps you have confused "rights" with "optons." If someone tells me I have a right then I don't believe I should have to worry about prosecution by authority figures if I exercise that right. This kid was given "options"- if he insisted on exercising his rights he will be punished. The fact that the punishment was extremely minor has no bearing on the exercising of his rights- he was STILL punished, however slight, and that was wrong.
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Those are called....
« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2003, 05:15:36 PM »
"Fair weather Americans" MT, and everyone of them should be ashamed of themselves.

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Funny how people are all for America, its Constitution and Bill of Rights... until it gets uncomfortable.
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« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2003, 05:36:03 PM »
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Funny how people are all for America, its Constitution and Bill of Rights... until it gets uncomfortable.


yeah, ain't that the truth.

the kid didn't get the cheers and applause he was looking for by bucking the system so now we gotta fire the teacher. Why is it that it's always the libs squeaking for the oil?
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« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2003, 05:41:27 PM »
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Well, he is being isolated from his peers. He is being singled out for exercising this right and being ostercized by his teacher.


When he exercised his right to count the US govt as corrupt and refused to support America through the pledge he was making a statement. That he wasn't willing to endure a little ridicule for that shows just how deep his convictions.

Again, this is for argument sake, in reality he interrupted those also exercising their constitutional rights and was simply told to leave the class.
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