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Offline weazel

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« on: January 14, 2003, 04:42:09 PM »
Boy's parents want teacher fired in pledge flap.

Lakeport eighth-grader punished for not saluting flag, mother says.
January 8, 2003

By UCILIA WANG

The parents of a Lakeport middle school student Thursday will ask the school board to fire a teacher who told the student to leave the classroom for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.


Victoria Kearney said she will ask the Lakeport Unified School District board to dismiss David Laven because she is dissatisfied with the district's handling of her complaint about Laven's treatment of her son, Jim Woodbury.


Laven told Woodbury to stand outside the classroom when he wouldn't say the Pledge of Allegiance in his U.S. history and constitution class last semester.


"We are appalled that this can go on in the school," Kearney said. "My son's rights were violated. We are trusting that the Constitution is behind us on this."


Woodbury, an eighth-grader, said he refused to say the pledge because of his political beliefs.


"I believe the flag is a symbol of the government, and I think it's corrupt and I don't agree with some of the choices it made," he said.


After investigating Kearney's complaint, district Superintendent John Burke decided in December to send a warning letter to Laven.


Burke said in his written response to Kearney's complaint that students cannot be compelled to stand or recite the pledge. Pupils also should not be left outside of the classroom unsupervised, he added.


Laven didn't return calls seeking comment. But Laven told Burke during Burke's investigation that Woodbury was disruptive and tried to incite other students not to say the pledge, according to Burke's written report.


Kearney disputed Laven's claim. She contended that when her son presented a packet of information about students' rights to refuse to say the pledge, Laven threw the materials into a trash can and said he didn't care what the law is.


Burke declined to comment further on the issue, saying information about a teacher's job performance or a student's conduct is confidential.


The school board is scheduled to consider Kearney's request in closed session. The board could uphold Burke's decision or decide to look into the issue further.


California law requires students to participate in patriotic exercises daily, and saying the pledge meets that requirement. But the state Department of Education also has told school districts that saying the pledge is not mandatory.


A landmark 1943 U.S. Supreme Court case, West Virginia State Board of Education vs. Barnette, established that students cannot be compelled to recite the pledge.

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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2003, 12:47:12 AM »
they should invoke the sedition act on his arnold

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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2003, 01:11:33 AM »
lemme see now... i wont pledge allegence to the flag ,but i want protection for MY constutitional rights............

translation....i hate this damm country, but i want all the protections the constution gives it's people...

am i close here??

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2003, 01:19:25 AM »
DETH TO AMREEKA!!!
DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOSH!!!

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2003, 01:33:17 AM »
mandatory blind allegiance to a textile is stupid.
meritoriously won allegiance to that same textile is quite wholesome.
s@dd@m & k¡m j°ng il|in' have mandatory blind allegiance to their respective symbolic textiles.
you think we should be more like them?

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2003, 05:54:25 AM »
The student obviously came prepared to disrupt class that day...
"When I speak I put on a mask. When I act, I am forced to take it off."  - Helvetius 18th Century

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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2003, 06:18:44 AM »
Weasel needs to practice a bit more on his German.

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2003, 07:33:42 AM »
That damn GW! This never would have happen if he wasn't Pres.

I'm with you on this one weaz yup Bush's fault all the way....yup yup burn the MF......He probably told the kid to cause problems....yeah I see it now....:rolleyes:

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2003, 07:44:43 AM »
I say they make the kid stand outside the country while they exercise the Constitution.

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2003, 08:12:32 AM »
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Originally posted by funkedup
DETH TO AMREEKA!!!
DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOSH!!!


hehe, I keep LMAO everytime I see this.:)

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2003, 08:25:57 AM »
why is it when people exercise their rights as an American they are labled 'unAmerican'?  I find people who let their or others rights be violated much more unAmerican than your average trouble maker.

this little dipshit has a right to not do the pledge.  he has a right to be treated with respect and common curtesy inspite of his decision.  no matter how much you want to slap him, he is within his rights as an American.  and he has a better grasp on what it is to be an American than this teacher who thinks people should be punished or ostracized for expressing their beliefs.

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2003, 08:35:58 AM »
From what I can gather based on this blurb, the teacher has asserted that the student was disruptive. Fundemental concepts of administrative law provide the teacher with certain rights of due process in disciplinary matters that some of you are choosing to ignore in your haste to join the hysteria.
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2003, 08:47:29 AM »
Give him a free ticket to whatever country he would prefer to live in.

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2003, 09:49:51 AM »
AP wire June 2002:
"Given a blank map of the United States, one in three fourth-graders can't find their state and mark it with an X."

It seems to me that teachers could be doing more productive things with what little class time they have.

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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2003, 11:21:18 AM »
lemme see now... i wont pledge allegence to the flag ,but i want protection for MY constutitional rights............

translation....i hate this damm country, but i want all the protections the constution gives it's people...

am i close here??


no johnny..you aren't even close.  Freedom is also for people you dont agree with.. refusing to say the pledge has nothing to do with how you feel about the country. I refuse to say the pledge..I won't praise your imaginary friend you call god. It certainly doesn't make me less of an American than you or someone whom invokes their version of their god.


freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.