Blue on Blue Afghanistan incident - Pilots on Amphetamines...

[Dowding]

The trial over the Canadians killed by the US pilots in Afghanistan continues. Apparently, the pilots responsible were on amphetamines - which are known to affect judgement in addition to other side effects.

Is the USAF the only air force that gives pilots these drugs? I was completely unaware of the practise. For instance, the RAF frowns on the use of ProPlus caffeine tablets, nevermind potentially mind bending narcotics - these are completely forbidden. Do you reckon things will change with this trial?

[Swoop]

Change?

The US change what they do just cos the rest of the world says so?


Ha!

[devious]

Amphetamines were given to german pilots in WW2, too. Makes perfect sense, it gives the guys better concentration and higher aggressiveness.

I don't think that incident was caused by drug-induced impaired judgement, it's just the usual case of "shit happens"...

[Curval]

Was the pilot who sliced off the cable car in Italy on these things?  That was some toejam that happened!

[Dowding]

Possibly devious, I don't know the full details of the case. Although, weren't they over-flying a live fire training area?

[UserName]

Originally posted by devious
Amphetamines were given to german pilots in WW2, too. Makes perfect sense, it gives the guys better concentration and higher aggressiveness.

Heh, now you're taking lessons from the Germans? We all know how well they did

[Sox62]

Here is a link to the USATODAY article.

USA TODAY

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

It was known several months ago that these pilots were on amphetamines...

But do you seriously think the USAF gave them these things? Recently a bunch of Marines were busted for traffiking large amounts of cocaine... I guess the Marine Corp was the one traffiking these drugs?
-SW

[gatso]

Originally posted by Dowding
For instance, the RAF frowns on the use of ProPlus caffeine tablets, nevermind potentially mind bending narcotics - these are completely forbidden. Do you reckon things will change with this trial?

We've used em too, in the fairly recent past. I'm not sure if the policy has changed in the last few years though.

Gatso

[Dowding]

But do you seriously think the USAF gave them these things?

I was surprised as well, but apparently it is 'officially sanctioned'. It's not just a few tabs of speed bought off the street - it's medicinally produced stuff.

gatso - an RAF spokesman said they don't prescribe any drugs like amphetamines for their personnel.

Any other air forces do this kind of thing?

Having looked into the case, there seems to be much cause for blame to be attitbuted to holes in the command and control system, as much the pilots.

[texace]

The fact there's a trial over this sickens me. Blue on blue happens in war...that's why war is hell. If the Canadians are pissing and moaning over loss of troops, oh friggin well. There's been too many instances of blue on blue in every war past, and only now does anyone try to get reprocussions legally.

Canada's crying again...doesn't surprise me. This trial is a crock...if Canada can't handle war...they should stay out of it...

[Sox62]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
It was known several months ago that these pilots were on amphetamines...

But do you seriously think the USAF gave them these things? Recently a bunch of Marines were busted for traffiking large amounts of cocaine... I guess the Marine Corp was the one traffiking these drugs?
-SW

I know for a fact the Air Force gives them to them.

Read the book"Vipers in the Storm:The Diary of a Gulf War Fighter Pilot".Besides being an excellent book,at one point in it their tanker gives them notice when to take their "go pills"

[Curval]

Originally posted by texace
Canada's crying again...doesn't surprise me. This trial is a crock...if Canada can't handle war...they should stay out of it...

Come on man..it is nothing to do with not being able to handle war.  Canada's past actions in both World Wars prove that they can handle war just fine.

What would the US say if Candians had killed US servicemen?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by texace
The fact there's a trial over this sickens me. Blue on blue happens in war...that's why war is hell. If the Canadians are pissing and moaning over loss of troops, oh friggin well.

You aren't man enough to wipe the tulips of the Canadian military personnel that went to Afghanistan, and risked their lives to help our ally in it's war against terrorism.

"Blue on blue happens."  Cripes, how's your job a the grocery store going?  Get hit by a run away grocery cart recently?

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

But Amphetamines are Schedule 1 drugs... illegal to anyone in the US... the main point behind their illegalisation is they are addictive, overdose = death, and do not allow you to function well while under the influence...

And the US Gov is giving them to pilots flying million dollar aircraft?

wtf???
-SW