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Offline takeda

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2003, 03:00:32 AM »
Sorry for those "Español-challenged", I'm not translating this one, but Beetle's post brought memories of this fine song, which considers various forms of execution and decides that burning in a pire has an unbeatable appeal.

Es un asunto muy delicado
el de la pena capital
porque además del condenado
juega el gusto de cada cual.

Empalamiento, lapidamiento
inmersión, crucifixión,
desuello, descuartizamiento
todas son dignas de admiración.

Pero dejadme, ¡ay!, que yo prefiera
la hoguera, la hoguera, la hoguera
la hoguera tiene que se yo
que sólo tiene la hoguera.

Se que han probado su eficacia
los carchutos del pelotón
la guinda del tiro de gracia
es exclusiva del paredón.

La guillotina, por supuesto,
por ser el chic de lo francés
la cabeza que cae en el cesto
ojos y lengua de través.

Pero dejadme, ¡ay!, que yo prefiera
la hoguera, la hoguera, la hoguera
la hoguera tiene que sé yo
que sólo tiene la hoguera.

No tengo elogios suficientes
para la cámara de gas
que para grandes contingentes
ha demostrado ser el as.

No negaré que el balanceo
de la horca un hallazgo es
y lo que se estira el reo
cuando lo lastran por los pies.

Pero dejadme, ¡ay!, que yo prefiera
la hoguera, la hoguera, la hoguera
la hoguera tiene que se yo
que sólo tiene la hoguera.

Sacudir con corriente alterna
reconozco que no está mal
la silla eléctrica es moderna
americana, funcional.

Y se que iba de maravilla
nuestro castizo Garrote Vil
para ajustarle la bolilla
al pescuezo más incivil.

Pero dejadme, ¡ay!, que yo prefiera
la hoguera, la hoguera, la hoguera
la hoguera tiene que sé yo
que sólo tiene la hoguera.

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2003, 03:11:39 AM »
I'm all for executing criminals, but problems arise when deciding who the criminals are.  Innocent people have surely been executed, therefor I am against the death penalty now.  

As for methods of execution, I believe a tree shredder would be appropriate.  Simply drop the criminal from a height of 10 feet head first into the device.  Death would be instantaneous.  Plus it would be neat to watch.

FYI, the guillitine did NOT produce instaneous death.  A person's head was still alive for 10-20 seconds after being seperated from the body.  A scientist who was set to be executed during some French revolution asked the executioner to count how long he blinked his eyes after his head was chopped off.  When the blade sliced his head off, he was able to blink his eyes for 12 seconds if I recall correctly.

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2003, 03:31:48 AM »
I find it hard to believe that, david. The body and head would be in total shock. The fluttering of the eyelids was probably a nervous action similar to how chickens run around the yard after having their heads chopped off.

Otherwise, what would stop the recently be-headed cheering the crowd with a little song or joke? ;)
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2003, 07:47:59 AM »
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...lately it seeme we're executing alot of innocent people

Please name one.

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2003, 07:54:32 AM »
Gladitorial Games!

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2003, 09:05:27 AM »
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Originally posted by J_A_B
If I was going to be executed and I could pick the method, I'd pick the electric chair.

Lethal injection bothers me.....I don't like needles  :)

J_A_B
Funny you don't like needles/injections, with a name like JAB ;)

Thanks for the replies, guys. Seems our self-appointed moderator was a little wide of the mark. ;)

Eddiek said "Savage, brutal crimes equating to a savage, brutal death." - Eddie, I can't look you in the eye and say that you're wrong, but I don't want to live in a society like that. Having said that, it also has to be said that in countries like Singapore and Malaysia, the rotan cane is an effective deterrent, but we're talking about corporal, not capital, punishment here. I read about one of those canings... strewth, I couldn't believe the ferocity of it. :eek:

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2003, 09:14:51 AM »
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If I was going to be executed and I could pick the method, I'd pick the electric chair.

Lethal injection bothers me.....I don't like needles  :)

J_A_B


YIKES...electric chair?  No frigging way man.  Can you imagine what it would be like when you are strapped into that chair...the terror that must go along with that?  Then imagine the agony as the electricity first hits you and starts to cook you from the inside.  They tape your eyes over so that the eyeballs don't pop right out of your head, but that doesn't stop them from liquifying and pouring out from the sides of the tape...along with lots of the red-red gruby.  It is a nasty hoorible death.

I've heard that the electric chair is a very similar death to being burned alive.

I'd take the injection...a little pinsalamander and you go to sleep.  You just never wake up.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2003, 10:15:44 AM »
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I find it hard to believe that, david. The body and head would be in total shock. The fluttering of the eyelids was probably a nervous action similar to how chickens run around the yard after having their heads chopped off.

Otherwise, what would stop the recently be-headed cheering the crowd with a little song or joke? ;)


Without air from the lungs, sound would be impossible.  Rich people set for execution would pay the executioner to dull the blade. This would indeed shock the systems and cause instantanious death. A sharp blade would sever the head so swiftly and neatly that it would stay alive for a little while.

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2003, 10:29:56 AM »
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Without air from the lungs, sound would be impossible. Rich people set for execution would pay the executioner to dull the blade. This would indeed shock the systems and cause instantanious death. A sharp blade would sever the head so swiftly and neatly that it would stay alive for a little while.

It would seem impossible for a beheaded person to be conscious for even a second.  Not only are all the nerves severed, but the blood vessels to the brain are severed too, dropping the blood pressure in the brain to zero.  Even if there was some technical way to measure that the person was still alive after a beheading, how could he be conscious of it?  If I were a rich person set for beheading, I would save my money and let the executioner use a nice sharp blade.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2003, 10:42:06 AM »
Maybe we oughta make all crimes capital offenses but execution dependent on their being commited in a zone that is secretly changing locale.




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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2003, 11:43:23 AM »
What? No TNG fans?
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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2003, 08:30:38 AM »
Dowding, it is not impossible. The head would be severed so fast that the brain wouldn't go into shock. The blood in the brain would have enough oxÿgen to keep someone conscious for at least 5-10 seconds.

Lethal injection would be most painless. Failing that, a BASE jump without a parachute. Do it with a partner and count grips on the way down - the pair with the most get free funerals.

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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2003, 09:54:09 AM »
Obvious lack of interest here. It was in the episode titled "Justice" which was in the first season of Star Trek - The Next Generation.
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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2003, 12:17:53 PM »
well... first of all... most ways of kiling people who are condemned to death are much more humane than any "natural" or accidental death.   Out of all the ones available tho.... leathal injection or firing squad are the most efficient/least painful.

I tend to go with pulic hanging minus the drop/boken neck tho so far as showmanship/entertainment value.  

So far as "innocent" people being executed... well... most probly aren't so much innocent as they are not guilty of the crime they are being executed for.

Some review of standards for those being executed tho would be in order.   For example...I believe that child molesters should be executed.   Since they can't be cured... keeping them around is foolish.
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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2003, 06:01:06 PM »
I do believe that some people deserve death. I am not willing to delegate that judgement to anyone.

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