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Offline Sabre

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An interesting document on Iraq
« on: January 21, 2003, 04:30:22 PM »
I rarely start threads in this forum, but this document optained through one of the news services is quite illuminating when it comes to understanding the almost impossible task of disarming Iraq through inspections.   Yes, it is prepared by the US government, which will automatically make it suspect in some peoples' eyes.  However, the information if verifiable from numerous open sources.  It simply compiles in one place the history of deceit by this regime.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/012103_apparatusoflies.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2003, 04:58:11 PM »
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Yes, it is prepared by the US government, which will automatically make it suspect in some peoples' eyes.


Cripes, I hope it would make it suspect in everyones eyes.

Any government document from any government, that justifies a current policy should be looked at critically.

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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2003, 05:50:01 PM »
What do you want is to say today Mr Rove?[/b]

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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2003, 11:45:37 PM »
I agree Thrawn that all such documents should be looked and with a critical eye.  Did you?  Or did you simply assume it was all untrue propaganda simply because it came from a US governement source (just as bad as accepting without question, don't you think?).  Isn't it the responsibility of Government to explain the basis for a particular policy?

Read the document and refute it if you can.  Most of this is already well documented; the US goverment simply chose to pull it all together in a single source to explain why they feel the Iraqi's are not to be trusted, and why they feel so strongly that Suddam must go.  Believe it or not, not every word that comes from a US government source is a lie.  

For what it's worth, I was on active duty during the Gulf War, and saw much of this stuff first come out.  The point is, the Iraqi regime is very simply evil.  Ignore that if you want, but it's a fact proven over and over again.  The Iraqi government has taken playing the media to a high art, and this document is the counterpoint.   It's an attempt to educate the public on who we're dealing with.

Weazel: I'm not sure Mr. Rove is...sorry.  Again, I'll simply suggest you read the document and see if it jives with what has been reported through multiple channels.  As news media goes, the US media is one of the least influence by a government in the world. On the other hand, if you comment is directed at the authors of the document, and not the news agencies that carried it, well...again, they're not making this stuff up.  They are merely presenting it in a concentrated from to make their point.
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2003, 12:05:32 AM »
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...As news media goes, the US media is one of the least influence by a government in the world...


all media outlets, other than newpapers & the web are regulated by the FCC. all of the major newpapers are owned by corporations that also own radio & TV stations which are more profitable than the newpapers and of greater value. most of the major news websites are owned by these same corporations. you think politicians dont use this as leverage for favorable coverage? you think the corporations dont use this as leverage for favorable legislation? many backs are washed in DC

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2003, 11:15:29 AM »
You're side-stepping the issue, Bill, though I'll address your comments anyway.  I didn't say US media outlets were immune to governmental influence, merely that they were one of the least influenced.  If given a choice (which fortunately we have), would you believe the US media or the state-run Iraqi media?  

The issue is the case made by the report.  Curiously, I noticed that not one of you who've commented here have addressed the article itself.  Admittedly, it's a rather volumous report but is quite an interesting compilation nonetheless.  What is your opinion of its contents?  Let me make the point I intended in more concise terms: Some have criticized the administration for not explaining why the US is pursuing its current policy regarding Iraq.  Well, here they are, doing just that.  You can argue whether or not this justifies war.  However, if the US and its allies believe the Iraqis are lying about not having considerable quantities of WMD, I'd say the have ample justification for this view.  

Iraq has shown they have considerable practice at deception, and they had plenty of time without inspectors looking over their shoulders to hid this stuff.  We (and the UN) know the materials to make this stuff went into Iraq.  We (and the UN inspectors) know the Iraqis have not provided anywhere near a full accounting of this material.  We (and the UN inspectors) know the Iraqis have a long history of lies and deception in this area.  The fact is, there's no way for the inspections to say with even reasonable confidence that Saddam's Iraq is disarmed.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2003, 12:36:06 PM »
One of the liabilities of a free society is that the ignorant and gullible will always be used by those with a hidden agenda. That this is happening now is certain. The question is who is being deceived.

BTW, just because you're of a very suspicous nature doesn't mean you aren't gullible.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2003, 04:13:13 PM »
i didnt read the report - i got sidetracted dispelling the myth of the US free press...& no, i dont think US media is any better than iraqi state media. iraqi media is predictable in their lies, while US media & gov't propoganda is such a confusing mixture of lies, truth, half truths, partisan fighting & hidden agendas that its almost inscrutable

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2003, 04:27:21 PM »
Well, at least you're honest, Bill.  I'd still recommend reading the document, but that's your choice.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2003, 04:57:25 PM »
Sabre,
I just downloaded it.  After it downloaded, it asked me what I wanted to open it in, I didn't know so I tried it in Wordpad.  It opened really weird like.  I tried dropping the link into the Address box, it was a dead end.

Perhaps you should just copy it and post it here.

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2003, 04:59:09 PM »
It's over 30 pages long..

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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2003, 09:51:20 PM »
" It's over 30 pages long " effectively ends the thread...LOL, glad i didn't read it...

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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2003, 10:57:37 PM »
The Pattern of U.S. Military Operations Since World War II

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"We think they are spelling out a message," explained an unnamed spokesperson. "Just look at the places where the US has fought: Korea, Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, Iran, El Salvador, Grenada, Nicaragua and Somalia.

If you rearrange the first letters of those countries, it spells 'ELVIS _S KING.'  We just need to find another 'I' country to complete the message."

Who's next, Italy, India, Ireland, Indonesia . . . ?
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2003, 11:42:43 PM »
left out serbia...oh no! "Elvis SS King" elvis was secret head of the SS!

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2003, 04:39:38 AM »
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left out serbia...oh no! "Elvis SS King" elvis was secret head of the SS!
Uh oh Panama too - that makes - Elvis p_ss King. Curiouser and curiouser... :D
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