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Offline AKS\/\/ulfe

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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2003, 05:41:57 PM »
France, Russia and even the Dutch have their hands in these big oil companies too Dowding.

And I am right. It doesn't matter how much of it you have your hands in, you still have your hands IN IT.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2003, 05:44:58 PM »
No no no!
It started as a joke, but if you take it seriously, at least think what we're speaking about.

I use oil and oil derivates, of course. Nobody has is hands clean.

But this is not the point.
And the point is not about USA or Europe or my poor country, Italy. The point is about a war wich is starting and I don't belive is in any way reasonnable.

Many people will die.
Like you and me.

People will lose their houses. Civilians, as usual, will suffer the whorse.
American people are going to die.
Iraq people.
I think its crazy.

I want to keep my hands clean about this.

And I'm happy to know that many american peoples think the same way.

"We believe that as people living
in the United States it is our
responsibility to resist the injustices
done by our government,
in our names

Not in our name
will you wage endless war
there can be no more deaths
no more transfusions
of blood for oil

Not in our name
will you invade countries
bomb civilians, kill more children
letting history take its course
over the graves of the nameless

Not in our name
will you erode the very freedoms
you have claimed to fight for

Not by our hands
will we supply weapons and funding
for the annihilation of families
on foreign soil

Not by our mouths
will we let fear silence us

Not by our hearts
will we allow whole peoples
or countries to be deemed evil

Not by our will
and Not in our name

We pledge resistance

We pledge alliance with those
who have come under attack
for voicing opposition to the war
or for their religion or ethnicity

We pledge to make common cause
with the people of the world
to bring about justice,
freedom and peace

Another world is possible
and we pledge to make it real."


http://www.notinourname.net/


The U.S. Congress failed to listen to the overwhelming number of people who expressed their opposition to a war on Iraq in a massive outpouring of calls, e-mails and faxes to their elected officials.

We believe that it is unconscionable to send young people in the U.S. armed forces into combat in an illegal war that serves only the interests of Big Oil.

Instead of spending $200 billion of taxpayers' money on another war in the Middle East, the funds should be used to create jobs and finance education, housing, heathcare and other vital human needs.

We join with the millions who want to take action to prevent a senseless war that is likely to lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq. This path of the Bush Administration can only lead to an escalation of violence that endangers people everywhere.

The Congress votes for war. We Vote No War

http://www.votenowar.org/

Offline ra

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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2003, 05:50:49 PM »
Someone please explain to me how the interests of Big Oil would be helped by a Gulf war against Iraq.

ra

Offline AKS\/\/ulfe

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2003, 05:55:04 PM »
12 years. Saddam has had 12 years to cooperate with the UN. He has ducked and evaded them for 12 years. He failed to cooperate and follow the rules laid out by the UN- present them with all his bio/chem weapons and prove he destroyed them all.

He has failed on every front to obey the UN for 12 years.

Some people actually believe he's had a change of heart.

Buy into what you want Lupo- Saddam's had 12 years.

At this point, fuk him.
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2003, 06:29:17 PM »
I'm quite agree. Fuk that criminal Saddam. Not kidding.

But unfortunatly I've the strange feeling that somone else wants to fuk us...

and fukin the mothers and sisters and wifes of the soldiers that will go there to fuk Saddam....
And, in the same time, fukin american contributors that are spending their money in order to fuk Saddam instead to invest in reserch, environment, healt and so on...
and is fukin the strong relations and alliances with links europe and usa
...and so on fukin...

So, at the and, I'm not so sure who is fukin who... :rolleyes:

Sorry for my poor english, btw. It's hard for me to express in english more complicated thoughts than: fuk somone ;)

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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2003, 06:32:58 PM »
yup,,UN inspectors check out everyone elses wepons of mass destuction,,why should saddam be aloud to go unchecked?,,what makes him so special that he doesnt have to threw the same checks that every othere country has to go threw?

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2003, 06:43:29 PM »
UN
Click on the link
UN report

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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2003, 07:03:35 PM »
Sorry for my poor english - Lupo

No, don't apologize. In its own way, your post was really fukin' profound.

"So, at the and, I'm not so sure who is fukin who... "

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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2003, 08:25:39 PM »
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And, in the same time, fukin american contributors that are spending their money in order to fuk Saddam instead to invest in reserch, environment, healt and so on...



  Name one other country that spends even close to what we do on R&D on the environment, and heath.  You can't because there isn't.  Piss poor argument there.

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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2003, 09:07:36 PM »
Some people are calling the US faciest these days, lately I find it hard to disagree.

Think about about the defention of facism, you might find it hard to argue, between the patriot act and this 'Oil' war.

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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2003, 12:31:17 AM »
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France, Russia and even the Dutch have their hands in these big oil companies too Dowding.


You're seriously suggesting BP Amocco has any significant Russian ownership? Go on any financial site and check out who has the controlling interests in the Shell, BP, Exxon etc. I think you'll be surprised.

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He has failed on every front to obey the UN for 12 years.


And? Israel has failed to obey UN resolutions for 40 years, but I don't see anybody clammoring to go to war over it...
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2003, 12:37:30 AM »
It is so funny it even makes me forget how completley useless, pointless and insignificant Europe is in current world affairs....

We can not, however, forget how self centered, narrow minded and ignorant YOU are. And foolish too.

Tell me again, which state was France again? I know you had a hard time looking it up on the American map. :D

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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2003, 03:20:22 AM »
Now Now Dowding...Dont pick on Israel. They are allies so they are allowed to ignore every UN resolution against them. Just as Pakistan is allowed to aid in NKoreas nuclear development and play with State sponsered Terrorism. You are either with us or against us. And if You are with us the Perks are great.

Ra  if you look through these threads you will read an article I linked that points out that The US needs more stable allies and sources for Oil because there is a real fear that they could lose Saudi Arabia, There is your next coup from Islamic extremists waiting to happen.
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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2003, 03:37:57 AM »
so bp isnt owned by the british, hmmm interesting.....oh dowding exactly how much time have you spent in the oil patch?

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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2003, 03:47:46 AM »
It is a US/UK multinational, with its HQ in the UK. I stated as much above.

Ping - UN resolutions are only held to be important if it's in the national interest of the parties concerned. Blair and Bush talk about UN credibility, when it's the UK and US who have been undermining its authority for years.
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