Author Topic: I miss the huge buff raids (Read 903 times)

moose · « **on:** January 08, 2002, 05:36:00 PM »

Does anyone else miss the times when squads would run those huge missions to kill someone's HQ.

I know it 'ruins the fun' for some to have their radar down but back in 1.07, that was the 'elite' thing to do.

I miss getting up with the Assassins in 109s or Ta152s and trying to knock down those bombers before they got our HQ. Or maybe the times when we took like 10 arados and flew a jet HQ run. Those were incredible.

With resupply of the HQ on, countries are harder to reset because they don't lost dar as much. I know it's supposed to help gameplay but in effect, it just leaves a country in the bucket longer because they don't have the manpower to overcome the odds and neither does the enemy.

I'm not whining because the new resupply system doesn't really hurt me. It's just that nowadays no one wants to do those huge buff raids because the result is usually fixed by the time you land. So it's removed the most immersive part of flying from the MA for me and I wonder for anyone else too?

Dunno if there is any way to go back to the old system, but if we did I'd be willing to bet the MA would be a lot different. (just with turning resupply off for HQs)

K West · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2002, 06:38:00 PM »

"squads" and "we" ?

You mean Zigrat, Ripsnort, Funkedup, Hangtime and only a few others. Well the means to make those missions is still. The mission builder is just waiting for entrepenurial type people to put it to use again.

Mission builders don't cause missions. People cause missions.

If I'm online Moose and I hear you call out for a mission I'll join up. Course I'm usually in the CT so...

Westy

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: O'Westy ]

Thrawn · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2002, 07:21:00 PM »

Not much point in joining a long range buff mission any more. I've been in about 3 since the strat change. Fly in a huge buff formation or escort a buff formation for 45 mins. Then have an M3 or C47 undo all your work in a few mins. That's just frustrating in my books.

Tumor · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2002, 07:28:00 PM »

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Originally posted by O'Westy:
"squads" and "we" ?

You mean Zigrat, Ripsnort, Funkedup, Hangtime and only a few others. Well the means to make those missions is still. The mission builder is just waiting for entrepenurial type people to put it to use again.

Mission builders don't cause missions. People cause missions.

If I'm online Moose and I hear you call out for a mission I'll join up. Course I'm usually in the CT so...

Westy

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: O'Westy ]

Nice gesture Westy but....for some reason if the "right name" isn't listed as a mission creator all ya get is 1's and 2's to join. I gave up. (and do appreciate those times you did join btw). When I want to see a nice big mission I wait until squadnight and do it with the =RATS=.

Tumor

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Tumor ]

moose · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2002, 09:38:00 PM »

it just seems like no one wants to do it anymore because the strat element now lets you undo all the havoc those runs used to cause

why waste time intercepting a 30k buff raid on your HQ when you can just run a bunch of goons over and fix it right after they drop?

Hajo · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2002, 10:34:00 PM »

Flying Circus usually runs missions in Bishland on Sunday Nights. Buff missions with scorts the works. Depends on the folks on-line to run them!

I can smell a Ripsnort mission many grids away

Usually two billion bombers with scorts to match, and 862 goons

They're fun to try and defend against......and guess where they are going. Fun not only to fly in a mission, but to foil one also!

Ripsnort we'll get ya yet!

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Rompa · « **Reply #6 on:** January 09, 2002, 07:40:00 AM »

im right with u moose, it was allways big fun both to join in on the bomber missions or to see the bomber in on dar bar and try and intercept them with fighters.

Before the resup strat was in play both HQ and city raids were common i allmost did them every night,(and it did not "have" to be Ripsnorts name in planner to happen)

But now there is just no point in doing it like u said it will just resup 5min later and im not sitting in a bomber for maybe 45 min just to hamper the HQ a couple of min it need to stay down like it used to do before this resup strat came in.

I think the strat targets should not be able to resupplied and the new maps with 2 citys its allmost impossible to get city to 0% and then hit HQ

Well thats just imo.

"Rompa"
332 Viking Squad

Ripsnort · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2002, 07:44:00 AM »

Agree with ya Moose!

Add APAR to the new General (mission maker) for Knits, he's got a talent for missions! Hazed and a few others make missions too...knits have alot of mission makers.

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Preon1 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2002, 07:48:00 AM »

Anybody catch the buff attack in Frame 4 of Big Week?

Krusher · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2002, 08:07:00 AM »

we had 15 buffs and 8 p51's up for a mission last night.. I know thats not HUGH but it was fun

lazs1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 09, 2002, 08:11:00 AM »

don't know about that but I sure don't enjoy the current way of fluffing in the arena.

Come in high over a field where everyone is engaged down low in a single or pair of fluffs and drop the fighter hangers so that the fight is over. or the "Look at me I did a milkrun on your radar" mission..

Fluffs still have way to much effect on gameplay for the skill required.
lazs

K West · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2002, 08:41:00 AM »

"why waste time intercepting a 30k buff raid on your HQ "

Why? Just for the pleasure of shooting some of them down! That's what I'm here for. I could careless if land is gained or lossed. Whether we win any "war" or not. I'm here to blow things up and shoot things down. (I do care very much if a solo dweeb can use a 25K lanc to single handedly ruin good dogighting action though)

Tumor, I liked joining your missions too. Unfortunately that was about the time my online play began to be curtailed due to RL. But the problem many folks who build missions have (in general, not singling anyone out) was they made missions that mostly only they would like. Missions would take foever because the take off base was several grids behind lines. That's boring for most. Or having a very limited plane selection. Most succesful missions has some bomber, more Jabos and a mixtuire of escort aircraft. They also did not take an hour and a half to get to the target whihc allowed a spy to narc on the mission. Or the huge glob would show up on radar and it was easy to see where it was heading by the enemy.

Missions have to be short, fun and allow for fighting after the eggs are gone. After a short while good mission builders get a reputation and when they announce a mission in the works people are eager to join in. Even then they sometimes have to advertise it on the country channel repeatedly. But quite often theier mission get so much respect for the fun they cause that some can get almost a wholeside to join one in. Much like Hangtime could.

Also! Folks who play "war" in the MA have been asking for more complex strat for years. Well, now they have it. What that means is mission planners need to take the new "strat" into account. You'll have to take out the depots and supply capability at other close bases either at the same time or just before the strike on your main target.

Milk runs are simply a thing of the past.

Westy

Ripsnort · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2002, 09:01:00 AM »

All my HQ raids were done under 25K, with 25k a max ceiling...this is so the mission was not boring, gave the opposition a chance to intercept, and gave our Escort something to do. To fly higher than 25k in a buff is, IMO, just gaming...why bother if your untouchable?

AKcurly · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2002, 09:42:00 AM »

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Originally posted by moose:
Does anyone else miss the times when squads would run those huge missions to kill someone's HQ.

HQs)

Moose, but there's a new thing to do and it's way better than the old HQ raids. Here's what you do.

1. Get sufficient buffs together to kill HQ
2. Accompany them with a number of fighters. The fighters can also protect the buffs.
3. When HQ goes down, wait about 3-5 minutes and then the fighters spiral down.

Guess what you find?

IB goons, and even better, when they figure out what you're doing, you get IB low alt fighters.

We did it during squad night last Monday and if a freaking train hadn't made a timely appearance, they still wouldn't have DAR back.

curly

Rompa · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2002, 10:03:00 AM »

Yes curly thats exactly what im talking about those damn trains should not be able to resupplie HQ then ur tactic would be very effective and fun to

"Rompa"
332 Viking Squad