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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2003, 01:27:59 PM »
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Leave it to Sandman to foul (Fowl!) up a good story on evolution by taking a crack at people with faith.:rolleyes:

Again, the non-believers are always on the offensive.  Insecurity.


Way to take Sandman's attempt at starting a debate as a personal affront to your religion.  Even better to make a blakent statement yourself about an entire group of people.  Insecurity.


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« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2003, 01:31:47 PM »
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Way to take Sandman's attempt at starting a debate as a personal affront to your religion.  Even better to make a blakent statement yourself about an entire group of people.  Insecurity.


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My religion? Whatever are you spewing about? PUT DOWN THE McRIBB AND COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP!

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« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2003, 01:34:53 PM »
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Leave it to Sandman to foul (Fowl!) up a good story on evolution by taking a crack at people with faith.:rolleyes:

Again, the non-believers are always on the offensive.  Insecurity.


What makes you think you have to be a 'non believer' to believe evolution?

LOL, the comments of the NON EDUCATED always crack me up.

-Animal, firmly agnostic, believer of God, believer of evolution.

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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2003, 01:41:21 PM »
Wow Sandman,..you put some good bait out today.

Just be careful you toss back what is over the limit.  Game wardens have a nasty reputation around here, or so I am told.
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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2003, 01:41:25 PM »
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My religion? Whatever are you spewing about? PUT DOWN THE McRIBB AND COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP!


That's all I could guess that you were blabbering about.  It was hard to tell, as it didn't make any sense.


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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2003, 01:44:02 PM »
Basically, on any given UBB, the atheists are always the first to cast stones at religous folks. Now go take some pyschology courses in the school you're attending (assuming its a University or CC) and you'll understand WHY that happens. ;)

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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2003, 01:49:25 PM »
Hey Sabre,


WRONG!

ok, go back to what you were doing.

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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2003, 01:58:53 PM »
We've been over this before, and I don't need a course in psy to know roadkill when I see it.


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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2003, 01:59:38 PM »
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We've been over this before, and I don't need a course in psy to know roadkill when I see it.


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(Shrugs) Suit yourself.

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« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2003, 02:02:55 PM »
Those psychology classes you didnt take will lead you to the conclusion that on the most part both atheists of a certain kind and theists of a certain kind tend to be insecure, and thats why they love to argue with each other.

I dont really care about that.

What bothers me is when some people latch on to something so hard and refuse to let go, in a way that it harms the advancement of technology. All the scientific evidence is there showing you that evolution is a fact, but most still refuse to believe it because they are so insecure about their beliefs that anything that threatens their simple to understand dribble to fill a void in the mind and make you believe you have the answers has to be wrong.

I know many christian scientists. Hell I know PRIESTS who also dedicate themselves to science. When I talk to them about these subjects they explain to me that when your faith in God is so strong, any scientific revelation is not evidence AGAINST GOD, on the contrary, it more strongly reaffirms their belief that there must BE a God.

Hell, the only reason the Christian Church adopted the Big Bang theory as "Official" is because it could be bent to fit the belief of creation. Fine by me.

Did you know that this same paranoia and denial of advancement is what lead to the dark ages, where scientists who where studying things that would have been amazing breakthroughs where burned or jailed.
Not only that, but hardcore theists, many of orders similar to the Templars, would raid Muslim/Hindu cities only to burn libraries, univercities and centers of learning, and killing scholars, just because they thought that what they where studying and finding was a threat to their faith.

The burning of the library of Alexandria is believed to have set back technology and civilization about 2,000 years.

I find this paranoia and fear of anything related to science/philosophy to be absurd and against everything that a benevolent supreme being would want its followers to do.

Get with the times. Science is not an enemy of religion. On the others hand, ignorance is an enemy to humanity.

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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2003, 02:05:19 PM »
Sabre - the dictionaries reflect the most common uses of terms rather than define them.

 Nobody argues that "therory" is a common term among laymen and it means what scientist denote by the word "hypothesis". And of course the laymen do not use the term "hypothesis" at all. Nevertheless, when reading literature written by the scientists, we should use the meaning that was intended by the author.

 Otherwise when vernacular "theory" changes the meaning further - from "fact" through current "speculation" into "lie", one would be able to assume that the scientists admit it's a lie by using teh term. Just like "myth" that was supposed to mean "oral tradition", not "bunch of lies" or "trethoric" means "crap" rather than "correct argument techniques".

 Theory is not really a fact but rather a set of facts and a general framework of preinciples into which those facts fit. But on the confidence scale it is teh same as a fact.

 Also, for a scientists term "fact" does not mean "absolute truth" just an "assertion assured to such degree that it would be irrational to withhold consent" or something along those lines.


 Unless you can observe the opening process of Evolution

 You totally confuse Evolution with Origin. Evolution is happening as we live since it is notheing more or less than change in gene allele frequency over time. Look at the dogs.
 
 Origin of life, origination of new species, natural selection, artificial selection and mutation are all subjects that fit under the general domain of evolution.

not the creation of a new type of life form from a radically different precursor

 That is quite impossible according to the (neo) Darwinian evolution theory. You get very minor differences that acculmulate with generations untill the two branges cease to interbreed. Even then they are not "radically" different. Horses and donkeys or certain breeds of geese are very similar but do not interbreed. In fact, there are circular species - a polar geese that differ slighty with area they occupy so that every popyulation can easily interbreed with it's neighbouds but more remote populations cannot interbreed with each other.

 There are serious issues on which one can argue the validity of origin of species and other things relavant to Evolution - the problem of semingly irreducible complexity on biochemical level, for example - but ignorance of what the theory really says is not one of them.


The very fact that species all fit so well into the natural balance argues for a guiding intelligence.

 Or that those who fit poorly either went extinct or adapted... :)


If you are so willing to accept the opinions of fallible human scientists you’ve never met

 That does not prevent anyone with time from reproducing their findings.
 If you say such a thing, you do not really understand what science is. Nothing in science is accepted  based on opinion. The whole science is about critically examining any claim - new or existing.


 Anyway, the hypothesis of God "pre-aging" Earth and guiding evolution is as good as any. That of course just postpones the question. God must be a complex creature, so how does God originate? Sooner or later you get into origination of complexity without rational designer and the only spontaneous mechanism we know that can produce complexity is evolution through mutation/inheritance/selection.


Animal: The burning of the library of Alexandria is believed to have set back technology and civilization about 2,000 years.

 That is plainly impossible. The ancients did not ahev research labs. Neother they have a process of intentional invention. The only things that ended up in the library were those that existed in practice. How would burning the library wipe those out of existence, you woudl have to elaborate.


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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2003, 02:09:49 PM »
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Those psychology classes you didnt take will lead you to the conclusion that on the most part both atheists of a certain kind and theists of a certain kind tend to be insecure, and thats why they love to argue with each other.

I dont really care about that.


Yep, and somehow I knew that without reading "psy for dummies".  It also doesn't take a genius to note that debating doesn't denote insecurity.


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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2003, 02:10:56 PM »
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The very fact that species all fit so well into the natural balance argues for a guiding intelligence.


This is the silliest argument for a creation that I have ever heard.

Either we evolved to fit into the environment, or the environment was majically created around us.... duh!

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« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2003, 02:11:49 PM »
SOB: It also doesn't take a genius to note that debating doesn't denote insecurity.

 Yep. Just that a person has spare time...

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« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2003, 02:13:57 PM »
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Yep, and somehow I knew that without reading "psy for dummies".  It also doesn't take a genius to note that debating doesn't denote insecurity.


SOB


That wasnt aimed at you.

And you are right, debating does not denote insecurity, but the arguement that atheists only debate because they are insecure, can go both ways.