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Offline SaburoS

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« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2003, 03:23:30 PM »
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Do a search on any religious topic on this board, always initiated by an atheist.  And, its not just limited to this OT forum.  Do a search for "religion" under any OT forum on any UBB.  99% are initiated by atheists.  They insecure (the ones who start the posts)  thats the bottom line. :)


Hmm my memory must be failing me then. I do recall that many Atheist posts about "scientific" evolution do indeed turn into an ugly pro-anti-religious thread. Didn't start out to be a religious thread though.
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« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2003, 03:26:38 PM »
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Wow Sandman,..you put some good bait out today.

Just be careful you toss back what is over the limit.  Game wardens have a nasty reputation around here, or so I am told.


It's a delicate thing trying to catch a trophy fish without catching one of those nasty Texas Grapevine Bass... The ones that foul the lines and ruin the tackle... :D

Catch and release is the general rule in any case... :)
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« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2003, 03:29:47 PM »
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Ahh, but STARTING A THREAD regarding it...thats another matter entirely ;)


LOL, ok BBS tag then.
Show me the threads started out by Atheists that start outright attacking non-atheists.

Because it degenerates into an insult-fest does not mean that the intention was to insult another side.

Since you've stated:
 
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Do a search on any religious topic on this board, always initiated by an atheist. And, its not just limited to this OT forum. Do a search for "religion" under any OT forum on any UBB. 99% are initiated by atheists. They insecure (the ones who start the posts) thats the bottom line.  


Please show me a few threads that started out as religion bashing and BS.

According to your statement, I shouldn't be able to find one believer starting a religious post then?
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« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2003, 03:31:14 PM »
Ripsnort: Do a search on any religious topic on this board, always initiated by an atheist.  ...  99% are initiated by atheists.  They insecure (the ones who start the posts)  thats the bottom line. :)

 I think that people who cannot refute the opponent's argument on its merit but resort to unfounded personal  remarks and especially implications of the opponents "insecurity" are insecure themselves.

 I talked to many true believers in my life. They were not bothered by lack of belief on anyone  else's part to get all worked up about it, let alone make personal remarks on the character of other people. They did not care if 99% of the people outside shared their faith or 1%, whether unbelievers were secure or not - that did not make slightest difference to their stand.
 That's what I call secure in faith.

 BTW, the thing about  looking for religion on deathbed - pure BS. Those human beings who are afraid to die, are afraid whetehr they are religious or not.
 Many people look forward to death as oblivion, not into being transformed into some kind of ethernal inhuman entity.

 miko
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« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2003, 03:34:56 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2003, 03:36:50 PM »
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 I think that people who cannot refute the opponent's argument on its merit but resort to unfounded personal  remarks and especially implications of the opponents "insecurity" are insecure themselves.


Why should they? YOU seem the one thats probably the most blatant poster about anti-religion on the board.  Intellect not enough security for you Miko? Hmmmmm???? :)
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« Reply #66 on: January 24, 2003, 03:40:42 PM »
Miko2d, I find your discourse far more reasoned than most who post here on this subject.  I will concede that I am not a biologist, and have an imperfect understanding of the Theory of Evolution.  I shall endeavor to learn more about it.  I can see your point in that I have lumped (perhaps incorrectly) the origins of life in with evolution as part and parcel of the same contiuous process.  It's not a matter of confusing them so much, as seeing them as intertwined.  Where does the Origin end and where does Evolution take over?

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Theory is not really a fact but rather a set of facts and a general framework of preinciples into which those facts fit. But on the confidence scale it is teh same as a fact.


I agree with the first part, but question on what authority you base the second?  In the many years of schooling I've been through, I don't ever recall a text book or professor making this assertion.  How do the laws of science fit into this scale of confidence? A natural law is one that has been proven rigorously through experimentation.  Again I submit that a theory, even in the parlance of scientific circles, is still not accepted as absolute truth.  It certainly does have a higher confidence factor than a hypothosis.  

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Or that those who fit poorly either went extinct or adapted...


Agreed, either interpretation is plausible.:)  The point I was making is, that adaptability could be the result of intelligent design.  No facts have yet been presented that eliminate that posssibility.

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That does not prevent anyone with time from reproducing their findings.
If you say such a thing, you do not really understand what science is. Nothing in science is accepted based on opinion. The whole science is about critically examining any claim - new or existing.


While many have viewed the evidence of evolution and come to the same conclusion, that is not the same as reproducing a result.  It only means they came to the same conclusion.  Actually, I believe I have a good understanding of science.  Your faith in the infallibility and impartiality of the religion of Science is admirable.  However, is it not also true that science sometimes  get's it wrong?  That many ideas and theories that were accepted as fact were later disproved?  The point I was trying to make here is that some people accept without question something, if enough scientist say it's true.  They don't question it themselves because they have "faith" in the purity of science.  The same could be said of people who believe in God only because they have been told about Him.  A good Christian (or Muslum, or Jew) seeks the truth of what they have been taught.  

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Anyway, the hypothesis of God "pre-aging" Earth and guiding evolution is as good as any. That of course just postpones the question. God must be a complex creature, so how does God originate? Sooner or later you get into origination of complexity without rational designer and the only spontaneous mechanism we know that can produce complexity is evolution through mutation/inheritance/selection.


Now it would appear you're back to doing the same thing you accused me of at the beginning of my previous post, mixing origins with evolution.  I would however suggest a rewording of your statement to read, "the only spontaneous mechanism we've come up with a theory for that explains producing complexity..." Because Evolution is still only a theory:).  Your point is a good one, nonetheless.  The question, "Where did God come from?" is one of the most basic in religion.  I guess I'll have to ask Him when I see Him.
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« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2003, 03:48:20 PM »
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« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2003, 04:14:07 PM »
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Again, the non-believers are always on the offensive. Insecurity



-Than what are those jehova's doing at my door?

-What started most wars ?

To me most believers are insecure. They need to go church and read bible, so they know they doing good.

U can turn word in any direction especialy the bible,

Evolution and sience are facts

I rather have a proof than just assume things.
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« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2003, 04:28:02 PM »
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Evolution and sience are facts
<~~then how does a bumble bee fly?,,According to aeronautical science, the bumble-bee shouldn't be able to fly.,lol they still cant figure that one out,,lol,,,do you beleve bumble bees can fly? sience doesnt show anything besides how dumb we are somtimes,,,we cant even figure out why a simple bumble bee can fly,,i wouldnt trust sience as far as i could throw it

most sience people beleve the big bang was real! were is there proof?,,thats the biggest bunch of poo i ever heard,,lol,,just a big bang,,and then worlds appeard,,,,you saying sience doesnt make things up? and is based on only proof?,,,no it aint,,they make up more things than anyone,,and expect us to beleve we came from apes or out of the sea<~~with out any proof!,,were is the proof we came from the sea?,,they cant seem to make up there mind on that one,,and if man turned into apes,,why are there still apes?<~they just decided they didnt wanna evolve?,,lol,,,sience is just as hoaky as any religion,,lol
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« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2003, 04:28:52 PM »
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It's a delicate thing trying to catch a trophy fish without catching one of those nasty Texas Grapevine Bass... The ones that foul the lines and ruin the tackle... :D

Catch and release is the general rule in any case... :)


Nah,..you do not have to worry about catching one of those bass, they just peek and move along.

It's those hardheads that keep the lines fouled.
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« Reply #71 on: January 24, 2003, 04:32:54 PM »
If it was up to the religious we would still have a flat earth.
And we would be in the middle of the universe.

Now since we can't explain the flight of the homble bee, we should stop going to school and throw overboard all data.

Let's go church i bet the priest knows all answers.
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« Reply #72 on: January 24, 2003, 04:39:31 PM »
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=72512&referrerid=3203

Hey Rip....

Were you assuming:

A: That I am an Atheist
B: That I was bashing a religion?
C: That no one would check your links?

Pretty sneaky there sir.
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« Reply #73 on: January 24, 2003, 04:44:50 PM »
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most sience people beleve the big bang was real! were is there proof?,,thats the biggest bunch of poo i ever heard,,lol,,just a big bang,,and then worlds appeard,,,,you saying sience doesnt make things up? and is based on only proof?,,,no it aint,,they make up more things than anyone,,and expect us to beleve we came from apes or out of the sea<~~with out any proof!,


Your kidding right?

In your 400 hp Mustang, how do you know the valves are working all the time? You can't see them! You must be making it up!

What's that? You know they are because other parts of the engine would react to their failure? Oh!

Kinda like how science works huh?
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« Reply #74 on: January 24, 2003, 04:45:00 PM »
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Do a search on any religious topic on this board, always initiated by an atheist.


Well look at this one.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71806&highlight=Religon

A religious topic on this board, initiated by someone named Ripsnort...wait a minute that's YOU!  :eek:

I guess the only conclusion we can come to, based on your statement, is that Ripsnort is an atheist.  

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